Confused about travelling back to the UK
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Confused about travelling back to the UK
HI I've become resident in Portugal 2 weeks ago and plan to elect NHR Tax Status and then complete the DTI (Double Taxation Individual) Form to exit UK Tax and elect to be under Portuguese Tax regime from the 2020 TAX year starting on April 6th. I am confused as to how many days I can return to the UK to see family, I had a rough idea that I would go back for a long weekend (3-4 days) every 6 weeks or so....would this work out ok ?
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You will be fine. It's an average of approximately 34 days spaced out through the year.
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thanks very much for the quick reply
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Make certain you get yourself registered as tax resident in Portugal or you will have a problem.
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The number of days you can return to the UK, and not be treated as tax resident, are exactly counted, and they depend upon your situation according to the Statutory Residence Test This link is to the Government website. It is really important to understand how this test works, because it can be easy to become or remain UK tax resident because you have missed out on one point or another. The range of number of days available is between 15 and 182, depending on the number of ties involved. It is irrelevant as to whether you take these in one go, or spread out through the year. There are various flowcharts to help you out, such as one provided by KPMG
If you are in the UK at midnight, that counts as one day in the UK. For example, if you arrived at 0800 and left at 2355 then this would not be a day in the UK .....but if you left at 0005 it would be. Probably best not to cut it so fine, though!
But this year, your first part year in Portugal, is regarded as a split year. You were UK resident until you left the UK, and provisionally non resident thereafter. BUT in that remainder of the UK tax year, until April 5 2020, you are restricted to a total of 15 nights in the UK before being regarded as UK resident for the entire tax year.
And if you have a property in Portugal on 31 December, rented or owned, in which you live you will be a Portuguese tax resident here, commencing at the date of arrival in Portugal (previously it was regarded as for the entire tax year, January to December, but was changed in 2015)
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That's why I said to make certain he was tax resident in Portugal.
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O dear, Shanorme, I fear you have got this wrong.
The number of days you can return to the UK, and not be treated as tax resident, are exactly counted, and they depend upon your situation according to the Statutory Residence Test This link is to the Government website. It is really important to understand how this test works, because it can be easy to become or remain UK tax resident because you have missed out on one point or another. The range of number of days available is between 15 and 182, depending on the number of ties involved. It is irrelevant as to whether you take these in one go, or spread out through the year. There are various flowcharts to help you out, such as one provided by KPMG
If you are in the UK at midnight, that counts as one day in the UK. For example, if you arrived at 0800 and left at 2355 then this would not be a day in the UK .....but if you left at 0005 it would be. Probably best not to cut it so fine, though!
But this year, your first part year in Portugal, is regarded as a split year. You were UK resident until you left the UK, and provisionally non resident thereafter. BUT in that remainder of the UK tax year, until April 5 2020, you are restricted to a total of 15 nights in the UK before being regarded as UK resident for the entire tax year.
And if you have a property in Portugal on 31 December, rented or owned, in which you live you will be a Portuguese tax resident here, commencing at the date of arrival in Portugal (previously it was regarded as for the entire tax year, January to December, but was changed in 2015)
The number of days you can return to the UK, and not be treated as tax resident, are exactly counted, and they depend upon your situation according to the Statutory Residence Test This link is to the Government website. It is really important to understand how this test works, because it can be easy to become or remain UK tax resident because you have missed out on one point or another. The range of number of days available is between 15 and 182, depending on the number of ties involved. It is irrelevant as to whether you take these in one go, or spread out through the year. There are various flowcharts to help you out, such as one provided by KPMG
If you are in the UK at midnight, that counts as one day in the UK. For example, if you arrived at 0800 and left at 2355 then this would not be a day in the UK .....but if you left at 0005 it would be. Probably best not to cut it so fine, though!
But this year, your first part year in Portugal, is regarded as a split year. You were UK resident until you left the UK, and provisionally non resident thereafter. BUT in that remainder of the UK tax year, until April 5 2020, you are restricted to a total of 15 nights in the UK before being regarded as UK resident for the entire tax year.
And if you have a property in Portugal on 31 December, rented or owned, in which you live you will be a Portuguese tax resident here, commencing at the date of arrival in Portugal (previously it was regarded as for the entire tax year, January to December, but was changed in 2015)
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It is necessary to look at the individual rules for each country. You can be tax resident of more than one country, or indeed in some circumstances of neither. In other words, each country will follow its own rules, irrespective of decisions made by any other country. Whether or
not you are a Portugal tax resident will, therefore, not influence the UK position at all.
not you are a Portugal tax resident will, therefore, not influence the UK position at all.
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You start to become tax payer in Portugal as of the moment you became resident, so 2 weeks ago and not as of 2020.
As of the 1st of january 2020 you have only 9 years RNH left!! Not 10. The RNH is for 10 calendar years and if you become resident for example as of 1 December, the whole calendar year counts as 1 RNH year.
As of the 1st of january 2020 you have only 9 years RNH left!! Not 10. The RNH is for 10 calendar years and if you become resident for example as of 1 December, the whole calendar year counts as 1 RNH year.
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You start to become tax payer in Portugal as of the moment you became resident, so 2 weeks ago and not as of 2020.
As of the 1st of january 2020 you have only 9 years RNH left!! Not 10. The RNH is for 10 calendar years and if you become resident for example as of 1 December, the whole calendar year counts as 1 RNH year.
As of the 1st of january 2020 you have only 9 years RNH left!! Not 10. The RNH is for 10 calendar years and if you become resident for example as of 1 December, the whole calendar year counts as 1 RNH year.
The point Pilou is making is that you have satisfied the Portuguese requirements for tax residency by having moved here with the intention of remaining permanently - as opposed, for example, to coming here for a holiday. Dates of residency in any one country are clearly specified by the country concerned, and the beginning of your residency here is the date that you moved to Portugal. However, NHR is treated as full Portuguese tax years only, so even if you are resident for a few days of your first tax year, your NHR will be counted as starting from the previous 1 January (even though that is of no use to you)
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CGT on main home
I am not entirely clear on this, so maybe someone else can step in.
At the moment, Portuguese residents pay CGT on the difference between the selling price of their main home, and the purchase price of the next, if it is lower. So I wonder whether this might apply to your sale of the UK property (being a Portuguese resident), or whether this would be exempt as arising from a foreign country (UK)
At the moment, Portuguese residents pay CGT on the difference between the selling price of their main home, and the purchase price of the next, if it is lower. So I wonder whether this might apply to your sale of the UK property (being a Portuguese resident), or whether this would be exempt as arising from a foreign country (UK)
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Yes.
The point Pilou is making is that you have satisfied the Portuguese requirements for tax residency by having moved here with the intention of remaining permanently - as opposed, for example, to coming here for a holiday. Dates of residency in any one country are clearly specified by the country concerned, and the beginning of your residency here is the date that you moved to Portugal. However, NHR is treated as full Portuguese tax years only, so even if you are resident for a few days of your first tax year, your NHR will be counted as starting from the previous 1 January (even though that is of no use to you)
The point Pilou is making is that you have satisfied the Portuguese requirements for tax residency by having moved here with the intention of remaining permanently - as opposed, for example, to coming here for a holiday. Dates of residency in any one country are clearly specified by the country concerned, and the beginning of your residency here is the date that you moved to Portugal. However, NHR is treated as full Portuguese tax years only, so even if you are resident for a few days of your first tax year, your NHR will be counted as starting from the previous 1 January (even though that is of no use to you)
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Re: CGT on main home
I am not entirely clear on this, so maybe someone else can step in.
At the moment, Portuguese residents pay CGT on the difference between the selling price of their main home, and the purchase price of the next, if it is lower. So I wonder whether this might apply to your sale of the UK property (being a Portuguese resident), or whether this would be exempt as arising from a foreign country (UK)
At the moment, Portuguese residents pay CGT on the difference between the selling price of their main home, and the purchase price of the next, if it is lower. So I wonder whether this might apply to your sale of the UK property (being a Portuguese resident), or whether this would be exempt as arising from a foreign country (UK)