Police Officers who are planning to move out to Australia?-Part 2
Feb 14th 2005, 5:09 pm
#76
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Re: Police Officers who are planning to move out to Australia ?
claguey - gonna speak to my eldest bro and see if i can find out this paul's surname. did try to follow you round the room but it all went a bit mad didnt it!
glad to see flights being booked - must seem even more real now!!!!
had a look at robert brokenshire, who is the now opposition politician who commented on the use of uk police in sapol's recruitment campaign, on yahoo earlier.. they are from a sapol police journal and i think from reading it was an interview when he was in state govt. there are some interesting quotes...
Government ministers should never involve themselves in police operations, according to police minister, Robert Brokenshire.
Recently appointed to the emergency services portfolio, Brokenshire told the Police Journal that he was "no expert in day-to-day policing".
To broaden his own understanding before winning the seat of Mawson in 1993, Brokenshire accompanied a Christies Beach police patrol on an eight-hour shift.
"It gave me a real insight into the diversity and intensity of a so-called normal police eight-hour shift," he said.
But Brokenshire wasn't prepared to recognize policing as the community's toughest job. He instead suggested that many occupations within South Australia were tough, and even categorized government ministers' work as "not an easy job".
Although appointed police minister with no background in law enforcement, Brokenshire said he felt qualified for the role because he had worked "at the coalface for five years as a local MP".
But Brokenshire's in-house advice on police matters comes a from 35-year-old law student and former United States serviceman, Derron Jarell. Brokenshire said that Jarell - who holds a degree in public policy - "gives me quite a lot of advice".
Although Jarell has neither practical nor theoretical experience in policing, Brokenshire considers his input appropriate. He doesn't necessarily believe that someone with police experience should have been appointed his adviser.
"You may be better off coming in with a fresh and open approach to a ministry, rather than coming in with set ideas because you've been a police officer," he said.
hmmm. doesnt seem like he actually likes any police very much does it??!!
glad to see flights being booked - must seem even more real now!!!!
had a look at robert brokenshire, who is the now opposition politician who commented on the use of uk police in sapol's recruitment campaign, on yahoo earlier.. they are from a sapol police journal and i think from reading it was an interview when he was in state govt. there are some interesting quotes...
Government ministers should never involve themselves in police operations, according to police minister, Robert Brokenshire.
Recently appointed to the emergency services portfolio, Brokenshire told the Police Journal that he was "no expert in day-to-day policing".
To broaden his own understanding before winning the seat of Mawson in 1993, Brokenshire accompanied a Christies Beach police patrol on an eight-hour shift.
"It gave me a real insight into the diversity and intensity of a so-called normal police eight-hour shift," he said.
But Brokenshire wasn't prepared to recognize policing as the community's toughest job. He instead suggested that many occupations within South Australia were tough, and even categorized government ministers' work as "not an easy job".
Although appointed police minister with no background in law enforcement, Brokenshire said he felt qualified for the role because he had worked "at the coalface for five years as a local MP".
But Brokenshire's in-house advice on police matters comes a from 35-year-old law student and former United States serviceman, Derron Jarell. Brokenshire said that Jarell - who holds a degree in public policy - "gives me quite a lot of advice".
Although Jarell has neither practical nor theoretical experience in policing, Brokenshire considers his input appropriate. He doesn't necessarily believe that someone with police experience should have been appointed his adviser.
"You may be better off coming in with a fresh and open approach to a ministry, rather than coming in with set ideas because you've been a police officer," he said.
hmmm. doesnt seem like he actually likes any police very much does it??!!
Feb 14th 2005, 5:10 pm
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Re: Police Officers who are planning to move out to Australia ?
Originally Posted by JM&D
I think we are all safe.......................look at what we are aware of so far,
1. We were originaly told by Scott that there were 300 vacancies available - where did he get this information from, did he just pluck the figure out of the sky...or was he originally told this figure when he was given the task of sorting out the recruitment.
2. They have also stated in the past that there is courses booked for March, May, July and September. Admittedly, they stopped repeating this although this was around the same time that the written contracts were stopped during the interview process. Why were they so forthright from the outset - SAPOL must have indicated the planned course dates to them for them to be able to pass on the information to us.
3. During the information day, we were told that SAPOL needed to increase their total strenght by 200 plus another 10 lost through overseas aid. An increase of 210 and they struggle to meet their usual targets.
4. One of the recruiters explained that 25% of the SAPOL force is aged between 50 - 60. That is a massive figure and they are fully aware that the recruiting problem will get worse before it gets better. They will obviously struggle, with an anticipated loss of so much experience over the next ten years. Maybe that is why they appear to be targetting those of us with approx 15/20 years 'in' to plug this gap.
Put your houses on the market, get the medicals done, and say your goodbyes to your families. You will all be on the big bird soon.
I'll buy Kraka a beer first.
1. We were originaly told by Scott that there were 300 vacancies available - where did he get this information from, did he just pluck the figure out of the sky...or was he originally told this figure when he was given the task of sorting out the recruitment.
2. They have also stated in the past that there is courses booked for March, May, July and September. Admittedly, they stopped repeating this although this was around the same time that the written contracts were stopped during the interview process. Why were they so forthright from the outset - SAPOL must have indicated the planned course dates to them for them to be able to pass on the information to us.
3. During the information day, we were told that SAPOL needed to increase their total strenght by 200 plus another 10 lost through overseas aid. An increase of 210 and they struggle to meet their usual targets.
4. One of the recruiters explained that 25% of the SAPOL force is aged between 50 - 60. That is a massive figure and they are fully aware that the recruiting problem will get worse before it gets better. They will obviously struggle, with an anticipated loss of so much experience over the next ten years. Maybe that is why they appear to be targetting those of us with approx 15/20 years 'in' to plug this gap.
Put your houses on the market, get the medicals done, and say your goodbyes to your families. You will all be on the big bird soon.
I'll buy Kraka a beer first.
I'll hold you to that!
Feb 14th 2005, 5:16 pm
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Re: Police Officers who are planning to move out to Australia ?
Originally Posted by zoe100
claguey - gonna speak to my eldest bro and see if i can find out this paul's surname. did try to follow you round the room but it all went a bit mad didnt it!
glad to see flights being booked - must seem even more real now!!!!
had a look at robert brokenshire, who is the now opposition politician who commented on the use of uk police in sapol's recruitment campaign, on yahoo earlier.. they are from a sapol police journal and i think from reading it was an interview when he was in state govt. there are some interesting quotes...
Government ministers should never involve themselves in police operations, according to police minister, Robert Brokenshire.
Recently appointed to the emergency services portfolio, Brokenshire told the Police Journal that he was "no expert in day-to-day policing".
To broaden his own understanding before winning the seat of Mawson in 1993, Brokenshire accompanied a Christies Beach police patrol on an eight-hour shift.
"It gave me a real insight into the diversity and intensity of a so-called normal police eight-hour shift," he said.
But Brokenshire wasn't prepared to recognize policing as the community's toughest job. He instead suggested that many occupations within South Australia were tough, and even categorized government ministers' work as "not an easy job".
Although appointed police minister with no background in law enforcement, Brokenshire said he felt qualified for the role because he had worked "at the coalface for five years as a local MP".
But Brokenshire's in-house advice on police matters comes a from 35-year-old law student and former United States serviceman, Derron Jarell. Brokenshire said that Jarell - who holds a degree in public policy - "gives me quite a lot of advice".
Although Jarell has neither practical nor theoretical experience in policing, Brokenshire considers his input appropriate. He doesn't necessarily believe that someone with police experience should have been appointed his adviser.
"You may be better off coming in with a fresh and open approach to a ministry, rather than coming in with set ideas because you've been a police officer," he said.
hmmm. doesnt seem like he actually likes any police very much does it??!!
glad to see flights being booked - must seem even more real now!!!!
had a look at robert brokenshire, who is the now opposition politician who commented on the use of uk police in sapol's recruitment campaign, on yahoo earlier.. they are from a sapol police journal and i think from reading it was an interview when he was in state govt. there are some interesting quotes...
Government ministers should never involve themselves in police operations, according to police minister, Robert Brokenshire.
Recently appointed to the emergency services portfolio, Brokenshire told the Police Journal that he was "no expert in day-to-day policing".
To broaden his own understanding before winning the seat of Mawson in 1993, Brokenshire accompanied a Christies Beach police patrol on an eight-hour shift.
"It gave me a real insight into the diversity and intensity of a so-called normal police eight-hour shift," he said.
But Brokenshire wasn't prepared to recognize policing as the community's toughest job. He instead suggested that many occupations within South Australia were tough, and even categorized government ministers' work as "not an easy job".
Although appointed police minister with no background in law enforcement, Brokenshire said he felt qualified for the role because he had worked "at the coalface for five years as a local MP".
But Brokenshire's in-house advice on police matters comes a from 35-year-old law student and former United States serviceman, Derron Jarell. Brokenshire said that Jarell - who holds a degree in public policy - "gives me quite a lot of advice".
Although Jarell has neither practical nor theoretical experience in policing, Brokenshire considers his input appropriate. He doesn't necessarily believe that someone with police experience should have been appointed his adviser.
"You may be better off coming in with a fresh and open approach to a ministry, rather than coming in with set ideas because you've been a police officer," he said.
hmmm. doesnt seem like he actually likes any police very much does it??!!
He'll love me then!! SAPOL I may look like a 'Bovver-boy' But I'm not - I just say what i thinks is right.
Feb 14th 2005, 6:58 pm
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Re: Police Officers who are planning to move out to Australia ?
Hello All
Has anybody got any plans etc as to where to stay when they arrive in Adelaide. The Acedamy is one option only if you have no family, but that isn't any use for people with families or partners.
Any suggestions would be welcome, as I dont fancy pitching a tent on the beach(need the creature comforts like electricity).
Thanks
Michelle
Has anybody got any plans etc as to where to stay when they arrive in Adelaide. The Acedamy is one option only if you have no family, but that isn't any use for people with families or partners.
Any suggestions would be welcome, as I dont fancy pitching a tent on the beach(need the creature comforts like electricity).
Thanks
Michelle
Feb 14th 2005, 7:00 pm
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Re: Police Officers who are planning to move out to Australia ?
Hi folks,
Had a large hangover Sun morning as me and Cheryl stayed in the hotel bar after leaving Walkabout. Great to meet people and put faces to names, Claguey.....congrats mate...! When you get out there you'll have to have a few cool ones for us stuck back here in the cold. Hopefully we'll all be joining you soon.
Not much more those of us left in the pool to do now but wait on, time will tell.
Chris
Had a large hangover Sun morning as me and Cheryl stayed in the hotel bar after leaving Walkabout. Great to meet people and put faces to names, Claguey.....congrats mate...! When you get out there you'll have to have a few cool ones for us stuck back here in the cold. Hopefully we'll all be joining you soon.
Not much more those of us left in the pool to do now but wait on, time will tell.
Chris
Feb 14th 2005, 8:05 pm
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Re: Police Officers who are planning to move out to Australia ?
Originally Posted by Chris Mason
Hi folks,
Had a large hangover Sun morning as me and Cheryl stayed in the hotel bar after leaving Walkabout. Great to meet people and put faces to names, Claguey.....congrats mate...! When you get out there you'll have to have a few cool ones for us stuck back here in the cold. Hopefully we'll all be joining you soon.
Not much more those of us left in the pool to do now but wait on, time will tell.
Chris
Had a large hangover Sun morning as me and Cheryl stayed in the hotel bar after leaving Walkabout. Great to meet people and put faces to names, Claguey.....congrats mate...! When you get out there you'll have to have a few cool ones for us stuck back here in the cold. Hopefully we'll all be joining you soon.
Not much more those of us left in the pool to do now but wait on, time will tell.
Chris
Just having a chuckle at the last two days worth. Thought there would be a few comments after the meeting.
I'm paddling in the pool.
I have put house on the market today and told the old folks at last!!!!!
That went down well..........NOT!
I still feel positive. Had a sh*t day at work today at gatwick. Cold, wet and miserable. Did anyone see the programme on OZ on tele yesterday around noon. I want one of those Koala things!
On a more serious note. We have enquired about flights for May. (B4 the meet) the best we could get was about £980 for two adults and a rug rat of 9. I'm seriously debating whether to take the dogs now because of the flight,quaranteen and heat. Anyone else had doubts.
When I spoke to the tax chap he said that we would be taxed on income per anum. Does this mean that we can be taxed on our equity being taken over to OZ ?
Reading tonight has cheered me up. I'm not the only one with frequent toilet visits by the look of it.
Regards
Ronnie in the pool.
Feb 14th 2005, 8:25 pm
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Re: Police Officers who are planning to move out to Australia ?
Originally Posted by claguey
Rippo.
No it was only me who got in. (I'm just soooooo handsome!)
The other postings were Murray Hills (southeast of Adelaide) Port Augusta and Whyalla. Port Augusta and Whyalla are cities on the coast, with Whyalla being the 2nd largest city in SA. Don't know anything about Murray Hills. Are you thinking of volunteering???
Phil.
No it was only me who got in. (I'm just soooooo handsome!)
The other postings were Murray Hills (southeast of Adelaide) Port Augusta and Whyalla. Port Augusta and Whyalla are cities on the coast, with Whyalla being the 2nd largest city in SA. Don't know anything about Murray Hills. Are you thinking of volunteering???
Phil.
Hi - I'm Clare Ronnie's wife - I did some searching on the internet today on Murray Bridge - got a fairt bit of info, it actually looks like a very nice place, rural but not too far from civilisation!!. It is just south east of adelaide hills near a place called Hahndorf, which there is also a fair bit of info on the net about. There didnt seem to be very much property fro rent or to buy in Murray Bridge, but it's one of the places where they provide you with a house anyway. Hope this is of help.
Clare
Feb 14th 2005, 8:29 pm
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Re: Police Officers who are planning to move out to Australia ?
Originally Posted by Martyn & Michelle
Hello All
Has anybody got any plans etc as to where to stay when they arrive in Adelaide. The Acedamy is one option only if you have no family, but that isn't any use for people with families or partners.
Any suggestions would be welcome, as I dont fancy pitching a tent on the beach(need the creature comforts like electricity).
Thanks
Michelle
Has anybody got any plans etc as to where to stay when they arrive in Adelaide. The Acedamy is one option only if you have no family, but that isn't any use for people with families or partners.
Any suggestions would be welcome, as I dont fancy pitching a tent on the beach(need the creature comforts like electricity).
Thanks
Michelle
Feb 14th 2005, 8:33 pm
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Re: Police Officers who are planning to move out to Australia ?
Originally Posted by ronniecat25
Hi guys,
Just having a chuckle at the last two days worth. Thought there would be a few comments after the meeting.
I'm paddling in the pool.
I have put house on the market today and told the old folks at last!!!!!
That went down well..........NOT!
I still feel positive. Had a sh*t day at work today at gatwick. Cold, wet and miserable. Did anyone see the programme on OZ on tele yesterday around noon. I want one of those Koala things!
On a more serious note. We have enquired about flights for May. (B4 the meet) the best we could get was about £980 for two adults and a rug rat of 9. I'm seriously debating whether to take the dogs now because of the flight,quaranteen and heat. Anyone else had doubts.
When I spoke to the tax chap he said that we would be taxed on income per anum. Does this mean that we can be taxed on our equity being taken over to OZ ?
Reading tonight has cheered me up. I'm not the only one with frequent toilet visits by the look of it.
Regards
Ronnie in the pool.
Just having a chuckle at the last two days worth. Thought there would be a few comments after the meeting.
I'm paddling in the pool.
I have put house on the market today and told the old folks at last!!!!!
That went down well..........NOT!
I still feel positive. Had a sh*t day at work today at gatwick. Cold, wet and miserable. Did anyone see the programme on OZ on tele yesterday around noon. I want one of those Koala things!
On a more serious note. We have enquired about flights for May. (B4 the meet) the best we could get was about £980 for two adults and a rug rat of 9. I'm seriously debating whether to take the dogs now because of the flight,quaranteen and heat. Anyone else had doubts.
When I spoke to the tax chap he said that we would be taxed on income per anum. Does this mean that we can be taxed on our equity being taken over to OZ ?
Reading tonight has cheered me up. I'm not the only one with frequent toilet visits by the look of it.
Regards
Ronnie in the pool.
We also had an animal and have made enquiries ... have had some mixed feedback re care of the animals whilst in transit, exercise, meals, drugs(!) and general welfare. (Professional) animal carers have told us that the animals don't get exercised, are sometimes drugged and it can be very stressful. Our dog can't handle going to the pooch parlour or the vets, so we accept that (knowing him) he'll suffer mass hairloss, fret and/or become someone else's best friend whilst travelling and not want to know us.
Cruel or kind ... we've decided to rehome him ... it is a toughie though.
Ang & Mick
Feb 14th 2005, 8:41 pm
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Re: Police Officers who are planning to move out to Australia ?
Has anyone made any arrangements re hotels etc for when we first arrive in S.A??
If you have, please let me know.
Are there any hotels close to the academy
If you have, please let me know.
Are there any hotels close to the academy
Feb 14th 2005, 8:41 pm
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Hi pool team and pathfinders,
Still new to all this, but its been great reading everyone's comments! Seems like it will be a great place to trade info.....
For those of you in the pool and you are looking for some sort of reassurance, when I put my medical form in with an audiogram, it showed some sort of hearing loss in one ear (WOT!! I hear you all say- cheeky
) anyway the point is, that if they were looking to get rid of people or cut down on numbers, they would of binned me straight away. As it is, and after SA pol in Adelaide had seen all the forms, they have asked me to see an ENT specialist and get a report done.. (more money!!!!) Im sure you will agree with me they wouldnt waste any of their time or resources processing my application, when they have an easy get out, if there is pressure on them.
So on a happy note, heres hoping for those other courses.... Im sure it will happen
As for the rural postings, im up for anything and they get extra pay and some sort of housing contribution for being in the sticks... poss similar to our SPP's for non desirable jobs.
If anyone starts a new thread, either for families or for those in the pool, make sure we all know about it!
Hope to talk to you all some more.
Dan
Still new to all this, but its been great reading everyone's comments! Seems like it will be a great place to trade info.....
For those of you in the pool and you are looking for some sort of reassurance, when I put my medical form in with an audiogram, it showed some sort of hearing loss in one ear (WOT!! I hear you all say- cheeky
) anyway the point is, that if they were looking to get rid of people or cut down on numbers, they would of binned me straight away. As it is, and after SA pol in Adelaide had seen all the forms, they have asked me to see an ENT specialist and get a report done.. (more money!!!!) Im sure you will agree with me they wouldnt waste any of their time or resources processing my application, when they have an easy get out, if there is pressure on them.So on a happy note, heres hoping for those other courses.... Im sure it will happen
As for the rural postings, im up for anything and they get extra pay and some sort of housing contribution for being in the sticks... poss similar to our SPP's for non desirable jobs.
If anyone starts a new thread, either for families or for those in the pool, make sure we all know about it!
Hope to talk to you all some more.
Dan
Feb 14th 2005, 9:14 pm
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Re: Police Officers who are planning to move out to Australia ?
Originally Posted by Nancy
Well done! it has to be done sooner or later I must admit I was nervey when booking ours.... done now! 
you'll be sporting the lovely leather police jacket soon!
Nancy
you'll be sporting the lovely leather police jacket soon! Nancy
By the way, got my flight by phoning Airline Network get the phone number by going to www.airline-network.co.uk you can get the malaysia flight for the same price at the Malaysia airlines web site as well.
If any of you fancy it, how about meeting in the servisair VIP lounge before the flight? it is only £16.50 and UNLIMITED drinks, beer, wine, shorts and snacks, for up to 3hrs before your flight, well worth it, and you don't have to stand around with the riff raff !
Phil
PS, I have my medicals on the 23rd of Feb, how long do they take to come through, I have sent my Visa app off and hope they will be married up at the visa office?
Feb 14th 2005, 9:24 pm
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Re: Police Officers who are planning to move out to Australia ?
Originally Posted by A&M
Hi Ronnie & Clare
We also had an animal and have made enquiries ... have had some mixed feedback re care of the animals whilst in transit, exercise, meals, drugs(!) and general welfare. (Professional) animal carers have told us that the animals don't get exercised, are sometimes drugged and it can be very stressful. Our dog can't handle going to the pooch parlour or the vets, so we accept that (knowing him) he'll suffer mass hairloss, fret and/or become someone else's best friend whilst travelling and not want to know us.
Cruel or kind ... we've decided to rehome him ... it is a toughie though.
Ang & Mick
We also had an animal and have made enquiries ... have had some mixed feedback re care of the animals whilst in transit, exercise, meals, drugs(!) and general welfare. (Professional) animal carers have told us that the animals don't get exercised, are sometimes drugged and it can be very stressful. Our dog can't handle going to the pooch parlour or the vets, so we accept that (knowing him) he'll suffer mass hairloss, fret and/or become someone else's best friend whilst travelling and not want to know us.
Cruel or kind ... we've decided to rehome him ... it is a toughie though.
Ang & Mick
We wil have enough to worry about when we get there without the stress of the dogs.
Apparently the large sticks bite back there too!
Ronnie
Feb 14th 2005, 9:25 pm
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Claguey
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Re: Police Officers who are planning to move out to Australia ?
Scott/Linda said that we will be met at the airport if required and transported to the academy, the academy costs $15 p.day for B+B at your own expense, they are trying to organis dinner as well, probably an extra $3-$5 a day.
I had a look at flats in the area, you can get a flat 1 or 2 bed for in between $100 -$150 per week, with a $500 refundable deposit. but obviously you would be liable for electricity, water,gas food etc. As I am going out alone I am opting for the academy, it has a pool, gym, 4 tennis courts, but don't think it has a bar. The nearest shops are about 2K away, so a short jog or maybe we can get a pool car?
You can also rent a house, these are comparable in price to flats and you can actually rent a 3 bed house for $150 a week or less.
Have a look on http://www.realestate.com.au/
If you need a hotel, then Scott is your man, he will organise one for you (again at your own expense) Drop him an email, I am sure he will be thrilled !
Phil.
I had a look at flats in the area, you can get a flat 1 or 2 bed for in between $100 -$150 per week, with a $500 refundable deposit. but obviously you would be liable for electricity, water,gas food etc. As I am going out alone I am opting for the academy, it has a pool, gym, 4 tennis courts, but don't think it has a bar. The nearest shops are about 2K away, so a short jog or maybe we can get a pool car?
You can also rent a house, these are comparable in price to flats and you can actually rent a 3 bed house for $150 a week or less.
Have a look on http://www.realestate.com.au/
If you need a hotel, then Scott is your man, he will organise one for you (again at your own expense) Drop him an email, I am sure he will be thrilled !
Phil.
Feb 14th 2005, 10:38 pm
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Re: Police Officers who are planning to move out to Australia ?
Any Southerner's on the Malaysia MH1 flight out of Heathrow on 13th Connecting with MH139 at KL? We could meet up with the Northern group. KL airport is pretty dull if you've spent more than 5 minutes there. There's a central cafe section that would make a good meeting point. Its handy to take out some Malay cash to avoid damage to your plastic friend. Sorry not telling you to suck eggs but I forgot last time I was over and ran up a large bill on the plastic. I'll be the lost and confused looking bloke 
Michelle, did Damo give you the dets of the place he found on Semaphore Beach, that sounded ok. I think Martyn has his mobile number.
Michelle, did Damo give you the dets of the place he found on Semaphore Beach, that sounded ok. I think Martyn has his mobile number.