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Philippines More Racist?
Hi guys. I am a full Permanent Resident in the Philippines. I am almost a citizen. I am Catholic. So we share that in common. I speak several dialects of Filipino. And I am a family man. Seems like a more desirable person than a sex tourist (no offence, but it is illegal). Last time we were back, I could not find ANYONE who had a house or flat for a white guy with kids. OK. Maybe no one rent to kids now. But that is hard to believe, considering most families have 12 kids in one room. My only conclusion is that they don't like us any more over there? Or do not like white-Asian mixing? I am contacting places now from on line ads, and everyone is ready to rent to me, until I tell them I am white, they immediately say "Sorry sir this unit is no longer available! We have no other units right now!"
What do you guys think? Thanks a bunch. I have a certain set of skills, but it does not include finding rentals. |
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Liam, Cannot think of any cases whereby I have encountered any racism, in fact the absolute opposite is more appropriate. I would add that it would appear that seeking accommodation to rent is not that easy. We have been approached by foreigners asking us if we would like to rent out our holiday home. They have commented on the difficulty of finding suitable accommodation, but I guess it depends on what looking for, and the location. There are cheap places to rent but they would certainly not be adequate for a westerner. What location are you seeking to rent , and what is your budget? |
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I am with Mike on this one, Apart from the occasional addition of both VAT and Kano tax I have never had any problems here of people not wanting to do something just because I am from the UK.
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It just might be more to do with a fear that we will complain about all the non functioning or uncovered electrical outlets, broken flush toilet mechanisms, cracked sanitary basins etc. which can be found even in better accommodation here.
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Originally Posted by mikek1
(Post 12518514)
Liam, Cannot think of any cases whereby I have encountered any racism, in fact the absolute opposite is more appropriate. I would add that it would appear that seeking accommodation to rent is not that easy. We have been approached by foreigners asking us if we would like to rent out our holiday home. They have commented on the difficulty of finding suitable accommodation, but I guess it depends on what looking for, and the location. There are cheap places to rent but they would certainly not be adequate for a westerner. What location are you seeking to rent , and what is your budget? |
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Originally Posted by Stokkevn
(Post 12518727)
I am with Mike on this one, Apart from the occasional addition of both VAT and Kano tax I have never had any problems here of people not wanting to do something just because I am from the UK.
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Originally Posted by Raffin
(Post 12518960)
It just might be more to do with a fear that we will complain about all the non functioning or uncovered electrical outlets, broken flush toilet mechanisms, cracked sanitary basins etc. which can be found even in better accommodation here.
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Liam, You you did not state the area (or city) you are trying to locate to. Your budget is very low indeed, bearing in mind that most student boarding accommodation (multi occupancy sharing a room) ranges from 1 to 2k a month). Your upper limit of 4K might get you very,very basic accommodation in a remote province which would hardly be ideal. Generally speaking most rural barangays in the the provinces are occupied by poor Filipinos who have large families and share whatever accommodation they have. It is extremely unlikely there would be any rentals in those locations. In the larger cities your budget of 4K would be a non starter, especially Manila. Has your almost a Filipino citizen I am surprised you do not know these basic facts. |
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Originally Posted by liam_neeson
(Post 12519011)
You have never encountered racism? Really? For most of us, it is a daily difficulty. You should consider yourself lucky. But then you say that some places are not for foreigners. How is that not racist? Well, at the moment, just need a place out of the rain. Looking for 2,000-4,000 range.
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The Op has all the hallmarks of a troll and to be ignored.
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Originally Posted by liam_neeson
(Post 12519011)
You have never encountered racism? Really? For most of us, it is a daily difficulty. You should consider yourself lucky. But then you say that some places are not for foreigners. How is that not racist? Well, at the moment, just need a place out of the rain. Looking for 2,000-4,000 range.
But racism a daily difficulty here? And for "most of us"? It might be relevant to know if "us" refers just to immediate family or to a wider group of people of some sort? Past colonisation, brutal at times, by mostly white Spanish and Americans, even Brits for a few weeks.. influxes of lighter coloured Chinese, Koreans and white Expat Retirees. All of this seems not to have affected the Filipinos' accommodating, friendly behaviour towards foreigners, at least in the experience of all those,some with long experience of living and visiting here, who have replied so far to the OPs question. Recent strong foreign criticism of the President seems also not have had any effect...although that may change somewhat if ICC proceedings proceed further. Yes, as in any other country there are some rough areas, with high crime among other undesirable things. So probably the only sense in which a white person would suffer racial discrimination if one resided in one of those areas is that the local burglars might prefer to target you as they would assume you had plenty worth taking in your house or on your person. |
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Nothing to do with racism just because you cannot get a price that many of the locals could not get!! The equate that to being linked with illegal acts!!
I am with raffin on this, looks like a troll |
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You could discribe the Philippines as being racist which in ways they can be. I like to think it's a lack of PC. PC in the Philippines is something you scam your American boyfriends on.
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Originally Posted by mikek1
(Post 12519020)
Liam, You you did not state the area (or city) you are trying to locate to. Your budget is very low indeed, bearing in mind that most student boarding accommodation (multi occupancy sharing a room) ranges from 1 to 2k a month). Your upper limit of 4K might get you very,very basic accommodation in a remote province which would hardly be ideal. Generally speaking most rural barangays in the the provinces are occupied by poor Filipinos who have large families and share whatever accommodation they have. It is extremely unlikely there would be any rentals in those locations. In the larger cities your budget of 4K would be a non starter, especially Manila. Has your almost a Filipino citizen I am surprised you do not know these basic facts. |
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Originally Posted by Bealinehx
(Post 12519082)
The Op has all the hallmarks of a troll and to be ignored.
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Originally Posted by Feidlimid
(Post 12519052)
I’m glad to say that our experience has been quite the opposite. When we were looking for a property to rent, locals in general and landlords were doing everything possible to help us, with the latter keen as mustard to rent out to us. Perhaps there was an element of hoping to get a higher rent from foreigners but I’d hardly class that as racism but more a case of opportunism. Staying on the racism issue that you raised, my wife and I find that on a regular basis we seem to get special treatment at banks, malls and other organisations, purely because we are white foreigners; it borders on positive discrimination at times. As mentioned by another member, your budget of between Php 2 to 4K is on the low side so that certainly won’t help matters in your search for a rental property. Why should that matter you ask, well, it’s more about expectations of what a foreigner can afford, but again, not racism. By the way, in case you’re unaware of it, you do project some negative ‘vibes’ in your posts. With respect, if you come across like that when you interact with the Filipino community, it’s hardly surprising that you’ve encountered difficulties.
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Originally Posted by Raffin
(Post 12519098)
Certainly agree that the OPs unrealistically low rental budget is at the root of the problems he says he is facing.
But racism a daily difficulty here? And for "most of us"? It might be relevant to know if "us" refers just to immediate family or to a wider group of people of some sort? Past colonisation, brutal at times, by mostly white Spanish and Americans, even Brits for a few weeks.. influxes of lighter coloured Chinese, Koreans and white Expat Retirees. All of this seems not to have affected the Filipinos' accommodating, friendly behaviour towards foreigners, at least in the experience of all those,some with long experience of living and visiting here, who have replied so far to the OPs question. Recent strong foreign criticism of the President seems also not have had any effect...although that may change somewhat if ICC proceedings proceed further. Yes, as in any other country there are some rough areas, with high crime among other undesirable things. So probably the only sense in which a white person would suffer racial discrimination if one resided in one of those areas is that the local burglars might prefer to target you as they would assume you had plenty worth taking in your house or on your person. |
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Originally Posted by mikemike
(Post 12519106)
Nothing to do with racism just because you cannot get a price that many of the locals could not get!! The equate that to being linked with illegal acts!!
I am with raffin on this, looks like a troll |
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Originally Posted by Gazza-d
(Post 12519138)
You could discribe the Philippines as being racist which in ways they can be. I like to think it's a lack of PC. PC in the Philippines is something you scam your American boyfriends on.
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Originally Posted by liam_neeson
(Post 12519452)
My budget is hardly low.
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Originally Posted by Stokkevn
(Post 12519469)
I live in a jungle village in Western Visayas 30Km from a supermarket or doctors surgery. A 2 room ( 1 bed/1 small living room approx 25/30m2 ) unfurnished mini house with toilet ( no shower ) will cost minimum Php3,500 a month. I think your expectation of getting something in Manila/Cebu is a bit unrealistic.
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I believe that someone is telling Porkies regarding the cost of rent in Manila. Maybe at that low price it was a space in the cemetery in Tondo.
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Liam, You state you have been here for a year now. I find your complete negativity and lack of knowledge baffling. Regarding the cost of cheap accommodation I can advice that my Filipino relatives took accommodation in Manila whilst having to comply with the USA medical procedures. The rent for a one bed no facilities was 4K a month. They had previously lived in the same road and were friends of the landlord.I should emphasis that a westerner would not be comfortable with that property. i have been visiting the Philippines for over 25 years and have found the economic changes starting. On our earlier visits there were only two classes of Filipino, stinking rich and extremely poverty stricken. Fast forward there is now a definitive middle class.If you care to look around and see all the new motors, the proliferation of expensive sub divisions, full restaurants,etc. It should be obvious the Philippines is becoming more affluent, particularly in the large cities. For the provinces, wealth is trickling down, on our early visits, a humble motor cycle was very rarely seen, now virtually everyone has one. I could give you many examples of the economic changes here, however you should explore and digest these for yourself. |
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Originally Posted by Bealinehx
(Post 12519698)
I believe that someone is telling Porkies regarding the cost of rent in Manila. Maybe at that low price it was a space in the cemetery in Tondo.
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Originally Posted by mikek1
(Post 12519724)
Liam, You state you have been here for a year now. I find your complete negativity and lack of knowledge baffling. Regarding the cost of cheap accommodation I can advice that my Filipino relatives took accommodation in Manila whilst having to comply with the USA medical procedures. The rent for a one bed no facilities was 4K a month. They had previously lived in the same road and were friends of the landlord.I should emphasis that a westerner would not be comfortable with that property. i have been visiting the Philippines for over 25 years and have found the economic changes starting. On our earlier visits there were only two classes of Filipino, stinking rich and extremely poverty stricken. Fast forward there is now a definitive middle class.If you care to look around and see all the new motors, the proliferation of expensive sub divisions, full restaurants,etc. It should be obvious the Philippines is becoming more affluent, particularly in the large cities. For the provinces, wealth is trickling down, on our early visits, a humble motor cycle was very rarely seen, now virtually everyone has one. I could give you many examples of the economic changes here, however you should explore and digest these for yourself. |
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Originally Posted by Bealinehx
(Post 12519698)
I believe that someone is telling Porkies regarding the cost of rent in Manila. Maybe at that low price it was a space in the cemetery in Tondo.
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Liam neeson clearly a troll has re juvenated the cold threads as likes to hear the sound of his own voice.
Asks 'do we live here', why? because we tell it as it is not as he thinks it is. I never said you were doing anything illegal just commenting on your opening posts suggesting that those who do live here may be doing things not legal. |
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PC, politically correct/correctness, please excuse me for assuming everyone knew that.
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Pinoy pride and nationalism do not go together very well.
That does not make them racist, just nationalistic The culture of me, myself and I means that they take advantage of situations irrespective of their intended victims nationality. They will happily treat their own as badly as it takes to get what they want. we are not so special in this regard, some just like to think we are. |
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Originally Posted by mikemike
(Post 12519843)
Pinoy pride and nationalism do not go together very well.
That does not make them racist, just nationalistic This discussion has made me think how lucky we are that the administration here isn't able to use the fear or hatred of foreigners, as it is a strong card in the playbook of nearly all of the current "new wave"of populist leaders in Europe and the US. At the time when the previous US President made some strong criticisms of the Drugs War the general population here did not show any enthusiasm to join in and support attempts to stoke up anti-American sentiment from government supporters. I also think that even if the regime here will face serious action from any or all of the ICC,EU and the UN few here would connect us with those bodies, as most here are ignorant of those organisations, what they are and what they do. Still, when an authoritarian populist cannot use one group to blame for a country's problems and to stoke up fears about,he just finds others to target and further cement the grip on power. |
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Originally Posted by liam_neeson
(Post 12519456)
. ... Filipinos are NOT friendly and accommodating to foreigners! lol They are horribly racist, and will scam, cheat, rob, and murder us at any opportunity....
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Originally Posted by Feidlimid
(Post 12520146)
Difficult to comprehend why someone with such a negative view of Filipinos woud even consider living here; unless of course, they were simply trolling. No further evidence required!
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Curious, in this whole forum, is there no one who has something constructive to contribute? Can anyone else confirm that the cost of living has become unlivable in the past year?
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For some Expats the recent pick up in inflation may have led to economies eg eating out less or changing from KFC to Jollibee. For British Expats in particular the fall in the Pound against the PhP post Brexit referendum has definitely been the most important factor, down to the 50s at one point, with the recently recovered rate still not quite at pre-referendum levels. I think most realise that the Pound is not out of the woods yet and so will continue to exercise caution in spending. But for the vast majority of Expats these adjustments do not make it in any way "unlivable" here.
But for those locals at very low incomes the rise in the price of basic goods and services, officially 4.6% pa in May, must be painful. And you wonder about the stats as eg small cans of sardines on the grocery shelves seem to have risen in price by much more. But they will continue to find a way to live, though probably with long term effects on their nutrition, health and children. No chance for them to bargain for higher wages, even if they have a salaried job. The government is promising more targeted help, but it certainly won't be generous or wide enough to fully make up their losses from the fall in the PhP and TRAIN. |
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Originally Posted by liam_neeson
(Post 12520299)
Curious, in this whole forum, is there no one who has something constructive to contribute? Can anyone else confirm that the cost of living has become unlivable in the past year?
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Originally Posted by Feidlimid
(Post 12520146)
Difficult to comprehend why someone with such a negative view of Filipinos woud even consider living here; unless of course, they were simply trolling. No further evidence required!
I am in total agreement. The OP does not state from which country he originated,however if he feels the Philippines is not to his liking he should return there. From what I have read of the OPs comments it is clear to me that he has absolutely no knowledge of the Philippines and is financialy iliterate and penniless. The Philippines has enough ‘Johnny Foreigners’ who are here for 2 reasons, namely crap pensions, or running away from issues in their country of birth. There is no written rule that the Philippines is paradise for foreigners, however it is what you personally make of it, coming here without adequate funding and blaming Filipinos for your shortcomings is not the right way to go. |
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Originally Posted by mikemike
(Post 12519843)
Pinoy pride and nationalism do not go together very well.
That does not make them racist, just nationalistic The culture of me, myself and I means that they take advantage of situations irrespective of their intended victims nationality. They will happily treat their own as badly as it takes to get what they want. we are not so special in this regard, some just like to think we are. I know it's not related to the Philippines, but when middle class Thais go island hopping it's exactly the same. Mr. Coconut farmer is going to take them got everything he can get. this is the way of the world. Definitely not racism. if anything, the westerners are often better prepared for all this, generally being more travelled, and more ready to try to find other on the spot solutions, that may involve walking in the sun for two minutes. |
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Originally Posted by mikek1
(Post 12520549)
I am in total agreement. The OP does not state from which country he originated,however if he feels the Philippines is not to his liking he should return there. From what I have read of the OPs comments it is clear to me that he has absolutely no knowledge of the Philippines and is financialy iliterate and penniless. The Philippines has enough ‘Johnny Foreigners’ who are here for 2 reasons, namely crap pensions, or running away from issues in their country of birth. There is no written rule that the Philippines is paradise for foreigners, however it is what you personally make of it, coming here without adequate funding and blaming Filipinos for your shortcomings is not the right way to go. It is others here that say in only one year the country has become unbearable expensive and there is no place to rent now. Yet the salaries are still the same. |
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Originally Posted by nonthaburi
(Post 12521084)
excellent point, and not just true of the Philippines, but some people will try to cheat any person out of money, regardless of nationality or class, because that's what they do. And yet many westerners perceive this as racism, not seeing the big picture.
I know it's not related to the Philippines, but when middle class Thais go island hopping it's exactly the same. Mr. Coconut farmer is going to take them got everything he can get. this is the way of the world. Definitely not racism. if anything, the westerners are often better prepared for all this, generally being more travelled, and more ready to try to find other on the spot solutions, that may involve walking in the sun for two minutes. |
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Originally Posted by liam_neeson
(Post 12521741)
How is singling someone out because of their race...not racism?
....but some people will try to cheat any person out of money, regardless of nationality or class, because that's what they do........ it's not about race, it's about perceived wealth, and the general dishonesty of the perpetrator. |
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