Originally Posted by Auskiwi

Look, as an Aussie married to a Kiwi, I can understand Australia is a goddamn awful place..that's why there are so many Kiwi's here, cos it's terrible..

Originally Posted by Gun4Hire

As an Aussie married to a Kiwi, what do you have do with a British Expats forum?

It depends on your situation on which country is best, obviously Britain is the best in every regard other than the economy at present, but after that it depends on your situation. The fact that half a million kiwis are in Australia is neither here nor there, the vast majority are nothing special and have nowhere else to go - so they go to the bigger place and fair enough too. Yes Australia s attracting the finest people: Muslims, Pakistanis, Sudanese, Lebanese and Somalis. That is the reason that my Australian born wife does not want to return.

However I would always say to the average person choose Australia because that will usually be the best choice - no question.

Check out the number of Brits who return home to the UK after two years in either NZ or Australia, there is a big difference. But trust me the other imports to Australia aren't going anywhere.

Originally Posted by Gun4Hire

...obviously Britain is the best in every regard other than the economy at present...

Originally Posted by simonsi

biggest laugh i´ve had in ages

Originally Posted by Auskiwi

I had originally joined this forum to talk to other returning expats that had moved away from New Zealand and are either returning or have returned..I had been referred by someone else..obviously a huge mistake..as I am not returning anymore, his company won't set up business in Christchurch now because of the economy and the earthquake.

I love multiculturalism, so I am not going to answer the second line.

Originally Posted by Kiwilass

I agree with GUn4Hire. Australia's strength comes from it's resources. But the thing that no one over there seems to be thinking about yet is what happens when those resources run out? You can only dig shit out of the ground for so long.

And non-British Expats ARE welcome on this forum.

Originally Posted by Kiwilass

I agree with GUn4Hire. Australia's strength comes from it's resources. But the thing that no one over there seems to be thinking about yet is what happens when those resources run out? You can only dig shit out of the ground for so long.

And non-British Expats ARE welcome on this forum.

Originally Posted by Gun4Hire

As an Aussie married to a Kiwi, what do you have do with a British Expats forum?

It depends on your situation on which country is best, obviously Britain is the best in every regard other than the economy at present, but after that it depends on your situation. The fact that half a million kiwis are in Australia is neither here nor there, the vast majority are nothing special and have nowhere else to go - so they go to the bigger place and fair enough too. Yes Australia s attracting the finest people: Muslims, Pakistanis, Sudanese, Lebanese and Somalis. That is the reason that my Australian born wife does not want to return.

However I would always say to the average person choose Australia because that will usually be the best choice - no question.

Check out the number of Brits who return home to the UK after two years in either NZ or Australia, there is a big difference. But trust me the other imports to Australia aren't going anywhere.

Originally Posted by Gun4Hire

Australia makes and exports nothing but minerals which, happily are worth a lot right now. It is a great country for working people who get paid very well indeed. But for high end professionals the pay is absolutely crap and the tax is sky high. NZ not only exports lamb and dairy products but it also manufactures a fair bit for a small country and creates a lot of high end software.
Australia has been trying to recruit immigrants for ages now, has masses of Muslims, Sudanese, Somalis a huge number from the North of England.

Originally Posted by mohogony

WRONG WRONG WRONG
AUstralia does not export nothing but minerals, one of the largest exports OZ has is education which makes billions as well as agricultre and tourism. Its not just NZ that exports LAmb and dairy products OZ exports these also, OZ has a very large wheat and beef export industry. OZ also exports manufactured goods. Australia has the best performing and the fastest growing economy in the western world NZ's probably somehwere back there with Albania or Bulgaria
OZ does not recruit masses of muslims, somalis and sudnaese, most of them come to OZ as refuguess and family reunion and in small numbers compared to other nationalities.

Originally Posted by Gun4Hire

Depends on what you do. Australia is quite a few places higher in the GDP per capita for the UK, but I made 3 or 4 times as much money in the UK than you'd make in Australia for the same job. NZ of course is ranked even lower again, but again even today I'd personally get twice as much money in NZ as I'd get in Australia ($45-$70AUD p.h. v $95$140NZD p.h.).

Australia makes and exports nothing but minerals which, happily are worth a lot right now. It is a great country for working people who get paid very well indeed. But for high end professionals the pay is absolutely crap and the tax is sky high. NZ not only exports lamb and dairy products but it also manufactures a fair bit for a small country and creates a lot of high end software. Australia cannot even make aluminium from it's own bauxite they have to get NZ to do that and then of course manufacture windows to send to Europe.

In Australia they have two people per checkout - that's one of the reasons you pay so much for groceries, it is also one of the reasons why unemployment is low - lots of thick people doing pointless jobs. For similar reasons, the average Australian is a bartender in London when they come over but the average Kiwi is a tax lawyer or banker.

It's like saying that America is the best country to work in because it is really huge and extremely successful - it doesn't necessarily correspond to good money in your own personal circumstances.

Australia has been trying to recruit immigrants for ages now, has masses of Muslims, Sudanese, Somalis a huge number from the North of England.

I am not advocating one place over another per se, but you must work out what s best for you in your circumstances. The best money to be made in Australia is made in construction, building and trades - especially if you can get away without paying tax which, is easy in Australia, not so easy for the middle class who get screwed.

Final thing, cars in a Australia are even older and crappier than in NZ, they put huge import duty on decent German cars so people are forced to drive cheap Fords or Holdens (Vauxhall), which is fine if you don't like having choice. I was considering exporting my car from the UK to Australia - the shipping was fair but the taxes were eye watering. They like to kid themselves in Australia that actually have a car industry but given they are just making American cars, that's bollocks.

Originally Posted by Gun4Hire

Educating who exactly? Where is your Oxford, Cambridge or Kings College for example?

What are these famed manufactured goods we keep hearing about?

All I said was that it was a resource boom that was making the Australian economy grow so much, nothing much else. And a resource boom doesn't necessarily make YOU richer.

In any case that wasn't the overall point, the point is that a higher GDP per capita does not indicate how much a particular individual would earn. Again Australia has a higher GDP per capita than Britain or NZ - BUT that is only an average, a city professional in London will make a lot more money than they would in banking in Sydney. In Australia the minimum wage is very high and the wealth is shared around, that's great if you are unskilled, not so good if you earn a lot but have to pay 42% tax.



None of this is a criticism simply an indication that you must check whether you would actually better off in one country or another. Couldn't less where I worked personally UK, US, Australia, NZ, Switzerland or Singapore the point is the best paying place depends on the individual circumstances - the wider economy is generally irrelevant.