chippy64

Sorry not biting!

chippy64

gazmfc

iamthecreaturefromuranus, you implied that NZ had issues which would get worse given the net migration in/out of NZ.

My reply was an attempt to put the NZ economic problems in perspective when compared with the UK and Europe....they simply do not compare! I tried to substantiate my views with some examples, observations and likely causes. I'm sorry if you don't like those observations but unfortunately they are genuine concerns and as you have seen a number of people on here have agreed with me.

I also wanted to give some reasons for the slow down in migration from the UK, I think I achieved that.

You also implied that most people used NZ as a back door route into Oz and I wanted to explain that is not always the case. I have read a number of posts on various forums that have debated the pro's and cons of both countries. It is a very subjective issue and the simple answer is neither is better or worse than the other, its all down to personal preference and what you want to achieve. However, what I have encountered is a rather arrogant view from Oz residents that NZ is the poor relation, well having experienced both countries I can categorically state it is not.

Anyway, that's my last word on the matter (promise chippy ) and i'll wish you all the best fella.

Be lucky.

gazmfc

Sorry Chippy, i've posted again..... couldn't help myself!! LOL

P18PPS

It's really interesting reading people's differing opinions.

I think both NZ and UK have problems attributed to too many migrants and "lazy spongers" - both have the single mum who keeps producing children from multiple partners problem - the government in both countries continues to support this "lifestyle choice" (for want of a better term).

Both countries have the government supporting those "unable to work for medical reasons" - even if it's a suspect back problem that still enables them to work foreigners up ladders repairing roofs.

Both countries have huge migrant population whose first language is not that of the country itself, and both governments support this by throwing huge amounts of tax payers money into translators and other specialist support groups for them.

Aucklander - unfortunately the "petty" crime you spoke of, is not an isolated EU problem - there are scams and scum all over NZ that will take you for a ride if they think they can.

Mrbiker

I think if you read my post I did say a majority are hardworking and its the minority that are causing problems, and that the systems is being milked as its too easy to milk....

And FYI I've not lived in the UK for over 15 years so guess I'm not the best person to comment..... oh and I was asked to move to NZ by my company so not exactly typical.....

iamthecreaturefromuranus

Dumb Question #1 then.....

If you haven't lived there for 15 years how do you know what its like now. I've been told that 5 years away is "a lifetime"

bcworld

http://www.dailymail.co.uk

An unbiased, objective look at the state of the UK today.

iamthecreaturefromuranus

Petty crime is the same the world over. No nation has a monopoly on it.
If you have a look at some of the stats here, then you see that the UK and NZ are very similiar when it comes to crime per capita. NZ is actually worse for some crimes

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...lts-per-capita

iamthecreaturefromuranus

Thread does seem to be drifting towards a UK vs NZ type thread... sadly.

Mrbiker

haha called the wonders of modern technology ... oh and my family all still live there, I'm back n forth on business a lot too....

Don't get me wrong, I don't think the UK is full of wasters....just that there are too many people taking it too easy and not getting off their ass and going out to work.

I have "friends" (using the term lightly) who stay on the dole and claim benefit because they can 'earn' more than if they worked... one of em got a call late in 2010 saying your kitchen is over 5 years old now, so we're coming round next week to fit a new one for you free of charge.. she hadn't complained, or even spoke to anyone about it, it was just replaced... !!!!

bcworld

I'd be interested to know if there weren't also similar scenarios in New Zealand.

Certainly there are people here in Australia who choose not to work, for example because the extra they might earn by working doesn't make a great deal of difference if they take into consideration tax breaks they will lose by not having such a low income...things like childcare etc. People weigh it up and decide working isn't worth the minimal increase in the bottom line.

iamthecreaturefromuranus

I've been out of work in the UK for a few months, many years ago, and the benefits I received were a complete pittance. I've no idea how people survive just living on State benefits.

Ex Aucklander

iamthecreaturefromuranus

Australia also has it's share of dole bludgers, I know that for a fact. When I was in business the employment agency would ring me to see if certain people had turned up for an interview & I would have to say no they had not, or the few that did turn up made it obvious they really did not want a job but just came to satisfy the requirement of appearing to try to get a job in order to continue to collect the dole.

Unmarried mothers- yes Australia has those too if you are familiar with Sydney take a drive out the western or outer southern suburbs & all you see is teenage girls pushing prams & smoking! The little darlings don't get married but their partner lives with them & both abusing the system.

My friend was a medical receptionist in Sydney & one of the patients was under 30 & had 7 kids & all had different fathers!

I think all countries have made a rod for their backs with making welfare so easy to obtain & allowing people to remain on it.

I think there were fewer single Mothers before the single mother benefit was introduced. You either did not fall pregnant or disappeared into the country so no one knew you were pregnant & gave the baby up for adoption if your family or boyfriend did not stand by you. Also there was the shame of falling pregnant before marriage now they are proud of it.

You make out only the UK & NZ has violent crime, well sorry but I can assure you Australia NEVER had the level of crimes when I first arrived in 1967 that it has today even if you allow for 50% less population than it has today.

Au never had No Spitting signs either until the Asian population started to to spit in public places.

Don't get me wrong Australia & NZ had Asian migrants during the Gold Fever days probably 5 generations ago but since the late 70's there has been an influx of Asian gangs, & the crime rate has soared with home invasions, killings, & rise in drugs available.

You have only been there 5 years so don't know some of the things that have occurred an Asian MP was shot by another underworld Asian.

There is a particular suburb in Sydney Cabramatta that was a lovely place years ago few of dinky di Aussies today it is nick named Vietnamatta & try finding any English signage there on the businesses!

As an Australian I got sick of what the place had become, all PC & if you call the Income Tax office or Companies office you are most likely going to get an Indian or Chinese answer & you find yourself unable to comprehend them & that's sad.

When I lodged my application for my Australian age pension at a centrelink office in Brisbane I was almost the only European person, the place was full of Africans in robes! and all the information leaflets were in 17 different languages yet they had run out of the English version.

By the way I did not migrate to NZ, I just walked in with my Australian passport.
I can assure I much prefer NZ to AU & mostly for all of the above reasons.

By the way I have nothing against Asians I have an Asian daughter in law & many Asian friends, they are not the same as the Asian trouble makers that I refer to that have gained entry to Australia since the late 70's.

bcworld

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.