Originally Posted by Cape Blue

I think you are overblowing it a bit:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12633382

And it isn't just the UK, Germany and Austria have also had to normalize the benefits situation with these eastern European EU countries.

On the child benefit, I am not sure it matters if EU citizens working in the UK have their kids with them or leave them back in their old country - if they are part of the UK economy they should be treated like anyone else.

Originally Posted by Cape Blue

Probably not the 1M+ Brits who live and work in the other EU countries.

Originally Posted by Bo-Jangles

How so? You say this like so many do it on purpose. I guess someone very desperate might do, but this would require one heck of a lot foresight and forward planning with folks needing to do 5 years in NZ before being entitled to Kiwi Citizenship.

It can take anything upto two years from conception of the idea of migration, until the physical arrival in NZ from a.n.other country as a PR. Add to this the requisite five years of residence and another 9 months or so for processing of citizenship, people would need to be planning eight to ten years in advance of a move through the 'back door' to OZ.

We've seen lots of people through this board over the years that land up in Oz by default because of a mistake, not settling in NZ, hating NZ or simply not being satisfied that they achieved the lifestyle they assumed or were led to believe was possible in NZ. I can't say that I ever came across anyone who deliberately set out to use NZ as a stepping stone to get through the back of the wardrobe to Narnia.

Originally Posted by Cape Blue

A lot of the time its the National Governments that are a bunch of pussies and want to pass the buck onto the EU for decisions that they actually support.

Britain has always wanted the EU to get wider and not deeper - it was Britain that wanted the eastern European countries to join and Britain (& Sweden & Ireland) that allowed instant migration for them when all the other existing member countries didn't.

I agree re the Poles and general assimilation - although I note that a lot of Brits don't assimilate that well in Spain, perhaps it needs another generation or two for that to happen.

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus

In the late 70's I used to drink in a Polish club in Manchester. It was on its last legs, as the Polish community, who set the club up after the war, had just vanished into the local populous and didn't see the need for a club of their own anymore. I can't see the current influx of Poles to the UK doing anything different over the coming years.

Having said that, the EU does seem to go out of its way at times, with rules and regs, that look like they have been deliberately designed to piss people off. It's no surprise that its hated by large parts of the people of Europe now.

Originally Posted by Cape Blue

There are quite a few pensioners, but also a very large number of families, that was my experience of living in Spain.

I don't really understand what is in it for Labour promoting EU migration - it's not like EU citizens can vote and there was a strong backlash from Brits who could vote, have I missed something?

Originally Posted by bcworld

I would think that would be a very large percentage.

The 2006 census shows for country of birth NZ: 476,719

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogra...untry_of_birth

Originally Posted by Bo-Jangles

How so? You say this like so many do it on purpose. I guess someone very desperate might do, but this would require one heck of a lot foresight and forward planning with folks needing to do 5 years in NZ before being entitled to Kiwi Citizenship.

It can take anything upto two years from conception of the idea of migration, until the physical arrival in NZ from a.n.other country as a PR. Add to this the requisite five years of residence and another 9 months or so for processing of citizenship, people would need to be planning eight to ten years in advance of a move through the 'back door' to OZ.

We've seen lots of people through this board over the years that land up in Oz by default because of a mistake, not settling in NZ, hating NZ or simply not being satisfied that they achieved the lifestyle they assumed or were led to believe was possible in NZ. I can't say that I ever came across anyone who deliberately set out to use NZ as a stepping stone to get through the back of the wardrobe to Narnia.

Originally Posted by Bellasmum

I can't dispute that but those demographics refer to residents.

I have been a Kiwi born resident of Australia three times.

Originally Posted by bcworld

True... and the comparable figure for Australians (by birth) resident in NZ is 62,634.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogra...untry_of_Birth

So for every 1 Aussie resident in NZ there are about 330 in Aus

And for every 1 Kiwi in Aus there are only about 9 in NZ.

Originally Posted by Bellasmum

Not sure exactly what you are trying to say other than prove me wrong with out dated figures from Wiki.

Most Kiwi's I know have spent time living in Aus, how many stay is another long term is a different story.

Originally Posted by bcworld

And I know some Aussies that have spent time living in NZ.

Are you saying you don't think there is any statistical significance in nearly half a million Kiwis living in Aus, when in the same year (don't see where 'outdated' comes into it - has it dramatically changed then?) there were a fraction of that number of Aussies living in NZ?

Originally Posted by gazmfc

What is the point you are trying to make here?

Originally Posted by bcworld

If you need a recap of what the thread is about, see post #1.

In fact, the choice of Aus, NZ or UK comes down to the individuals involved.

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus

It's no secret that NZ is struggling to retain its people, with more than a 1,000 a week leaving for Australia alone.