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Old May 11th 2009, 6:31 am
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Originally Posted by Kiwiprincess
oh, it's the Telegraph article I was referring to btw.
yeah - I agreed with it that the Tory-graph writer was cherry picking and was trying to explain how people could get the wrong end of the stick about the ABs "poaching".......as I said it is a myth. But it's mythical enough for Tui to run a picture ad to that effect in the "yeah right" series.....unless that was a joke itself.??? who knows but the response does go to prove the point that dis-respecting the ABs is taboo in some quarters......although several Kiwis I know hate Union so much that they couldn't care less and think that League is pushed out in favour of the ABs.....

I'll try and find the poster about ABs and Tui somewhere......
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yeah - I agreed with it that the Tory-graph writer was cherry picking and was trying to explain how people could get the wrong end of the stick about the ABs "poaching".......as I said it is a myth. But it's mythical enough for Tui to run a picture ad to that effect in the "yeah right" series.....unless that was a joke itself.??? who knows but the response does go to prove the point that dis-respecting the ABs is taboo in some quarters......although several Kiwis I know hate Union so much that they couldn't care less and think that League is pushed out in favour of the ABs.....

I'll try and find the poster about ABs and Tui somewhere......

I take it you don't know many Kiwi's
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Originally Posted by Bellasmum
I take it you don't know many Kiwi's
Hate might be too strong a word but ask my Kiwi and he'll take League any day over Union. There's a lot of people like him who have sort of lost interest since Super 14 came along. The season starts too early, the grassroots players aren't getting the recognition they deserve, it's too expensive to go to a game etc.etc. I am friends with an ex AB and he says exactly the same thing
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......a lot of people like him who have sort of lost interest since Super 14 came along. The season starts too early, the grassroots players aren't getting the recognition they deserve, it's too expensive to go to a game etc.etc. I am friends with an ex AB and he says exactly the same thing
lots of people would say the same about [association] football and over-commercialisation, I know a couple of my family who did who were were ex-pros themselves (and one an ex-international), albeit in the days before the salary cap was removed.
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If one wants to move to NZ is it advisable to learn the rules of rugby in order to survive a pub conversation?
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If one wants to move to NZ is it advisable to learn the rules of rugby in order to survive a pub conversation?
Nope
cause there aren't that many "pubs" and many of the ones there are serve plenty of ex-Pats/Kiwis who aren't "sports' snobs".
Might help in a sports bar, or down the rugby club though.
But again people are pretty laid back, if you show an interest then they will oblige and be good natured in the discussion - although you might be suprised with how "forthright" they become - that's when I've witnessed the comments about league-v-union mentioned above.

After a game drinks are a good place to make friends even if you've been knocking lumps out of the "opposition"!

And in any case I bet if you asked the crowd at a super 14 or a tri-nations game a technical question about the ERVs for example, at least half would not get it "right"...pro players might struggle too and the management, a la the Windies and Duckworth Lewis the other week!

I was brought up with a reasonably stable set of sports rules in rugby, football and cricket that meant learning, playing and watching the game was simple even for us thickos......I used to be able to call pretty much all of the infringements in Union but now I'd need a refresher course every six months......

Once was asked to explain the rules of cricket in German at a school in Hamburg!, mumbled something about being in until you're out then out until you're in.......then they wanted to know about LBs........painful for them and me!
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Originally Posted by sparkie down under
I'll think you'll find that kiwi's don't take well to criticism based on their own personal view of the world.

They think they have the best rugby team in the world, they have the best yachting team, the best lamb, beef, the best scenery - you name it.

Try and say that it might be better elsewhere and then that really is a taboo subject. So use a well worn kiwi phrase back, "whatever"!
Love itso well said
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What about the underarm bowl in 1981? Cheating or brilliant application of a hole in the rule book?


Any house owning kiwi can usually be dragged into talking about how bad it was when the market crashed in '87...but how buying a house is always the perfect investment strategy . House prices will always rise!
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Love itso well said
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and doesn't the make-up of this board reflect much of that.......
or is that a taboo subject???
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I've got into trouble suggesting that most of the country side has been man made and is not "Natural."

Any part of NZ that wasn't too steep or too inaccesible was shaved in the 19th and 20th centuries rather like Scotland 400 years before.

Much of the wood was just burned but some was used for housing, export etc. The stumps were dug out and the glorious forests turned to pasture.

The Karori bird sanctuary in Wellington has a 500 year plan to re-create what was destroyed. It will take that long to grow back some of the native trees to full maturity.
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Originally Posted by Wellington Will
I've got into trouble suggesting that most of the country side has been man made and is not "Natural."

Any part of NZ that wasn't too steep or too inaccesible was shaved in the 19th and 20th centuries rather like Scotland 400 years before.

Much of the wood was just burned but some was used for housing, export etc. The stumps were dug out and the glorious forests turned to pasture.

The Karori bird sanctuary in Wellington has a 500 year plan to re-create what was destroyed. It will take that long to grow back some of the native trees to full maturity.

Almost true. My Dad was born in 1904 and his Father, Uncles, 5 brothers and himself worked in the forest during the 20's, 30's and early 40's and what timber that wasn't sold for housing in NZ was shipped to Aus for buildings.

That pasture you talk about became land that created a NZ that was truly the land of milk and honey during my childhood.

Then words like common market started to echo and since then many Kiwi's have had mixed feelings about being part of the Commonwealth and our relationship with the UK.
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Btw, regarding the thread-title, is there any rivcalry between the islands? If you are in Christchurch and you think that Auckland is a wonderful city, you are well adviced to keep that opinion unspoken, or the other way round.

But those regional feuds exist in every country.
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Originally Posted by THR
Btw, regarding the thread-title, is there any rivcalry between the islands? If you are in Christchurch and you think that Auckland is a wonderful city, you are well adviced to keep that opinion unspoken, or the other way round.

But those regional feuds exist in every country.
If you live in Auckland and travel south of the Bombays you need broad shoulders and a thick skin.

One of the first things I noticed when I first came in here is just how quickly some newcomers to NZ develop "mainlander's" wee man syndrome
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Originally Posted by Bellasmum
Almost true. My Dad was born in 1904 and his Father, Uncles, 5 brothers and himself worked in the forest during the 20's, 30's and early 40's and what timber that wasn't sold for housing in NZ was shipped to Aus for buildings.
I'm sure that's true of forestry as an industry, but official histories and figures are skewed towards what was traded and accounted. Huge tracts were simply burned to make pasture, and there are few records since the wood was a waste product. Here's a quote from the very good Forestry Insights website:

"After the Treaty of Waitangi in 1840, there was an influx of settlers who rapidly began clearing land for gardens and farms and using the wood for construction. As the rate of settlement increased, large areas of felled forest were simply burnt and much good timber was wasted. In 1869 a fire on the Banks Peninsula is said to have burned 25,000 acres of forest and a fire in 1887 near Puhipuhi in Northland destroyed more than 17,000 acres of mature kauri in just a few days."

We'll never know the true extent of the slash and burn phase of NZ history, but the Encyclopedia of NZ says, "Between 1840 and 2000, another 8 million hectares were cleared, mostly lowland or easily accessible conifer–broadleaf forest.

"By 2000 New Zealand had only 6.2 million hectares of native forest. Most of it was on mountainous land and was dominated by southern beech."

There's a really good graphic here
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....One of the first things I noticed when I first came in here is just how quickly some newcomers to NZ develop "mainlander's" wee man syndrome
Newsflash
Avian flu variant spreading from New Zealand

WHO and CDC officials report a potential new strain of the Influenza A virus has been reported in certain parts of Oceania, Earls Court, Bali and Goa.....

The new virus, with a preliminary designation N1Z1, appears to have developed when infected Kiwis (on their big OE) carrying the "little brother" (LB) virus met up with Aussie Kookaburas carrying Roo-Floo, probably in the Earls Court area of London, UK.

Some form of genetic mutation occured and the brass-necked nature of the Aussie strain has attached itself to the original myopic Kiwi strain (in spite of its well-documented over-defensiveness and sensitivity to infection) to produce a virus that can transmit from subject to subject and lie dormant in the infected carrier even when they do the big world tour.

Details are sketchy but it appears that those infected are not responding to the traditional treatment of doses of common sense, being brought back to reality and seeing the issue from a non-Kiwi-centric point of view. Doctors in some of the London teaching hospitals have been exposing infected antipodeans to the joys of Waitrose, Marks and Spencer and butcher-made sausages in an effort to clear their system, but this experimental treatment has yet to prove effective.

Some experts are suggesting that gene therapy may be the only remendy and mating an Aussie with a Kiwi may be the way forward, however, early work on this had produced severe reactions from both camps with shouts of "lazy f-ing aussie" and "you stole our Pavlova" the only tangible results.

The symptoms of this disease appear similar to the original "one-eyed-kiwi" strain and begin to show themselves when the patient is exposed to another viewpoint on a subject close to their patriotic heart. In particular, the public should be vigilant when observing the following:

chips, often on the left shoulder, but sometimes on the right and in most severe cases on both. These can cause the victim to fall forward and their head to become submerged in the sand - often the state of the disease carrier when challenged with evidence that something might be wrong with NZ.........

a sudden onset of myopia, which can lead to blindness in one eye. May be treated with a theraputic dose of common sense but sometimes the condition is too far progressed to respond anf the patient's other symptoms increase alarmingly

an intense allergic or immune reaction to reasoned debate, humour (which the victim often does not understand or realise is humour) and questioning of their country's values, institutions, minorities, heritage, history or in particular their competance at field sports. The most notable of this is criticism of the mythical ABs or any attempt to deride sports stars, unless they play Rubgy League (and were asking for it anyway)!

Current information from CDC suggests that the epidemic is yet to reach pandemic status and is mainly confined to the small pacific island group called New Zealand (for you Yanks its right at the big island just south of China that's called Australia). It seems to be spread evenly over both islands although some with the infection in the north believe it to be endemic on the south, or main island. According to some researchers this particular type of myopia is the final probably incurable stage of the diasese, for which the only treatment is to be placed on an uninhabited island and fed 1080 for a couple of days.

It is a serious condition and particularly affects those inhabiting or frequenting bulletin boards, blog sites or forums. Some other sub-species, notably the lesser-spotted Pomm, a rather stupid migratory bird, that makes a slight whine when disturbed, is native to northern/western europe; is itself often affected with minor symptoms or may be found in vicinity of a full-blown victim of N1Z1, their feathers having been plucked when they refused to "f-off back home you whinging Pomm".

This Pomm bird and the ex-Pat subspecies is particularly endangered due to the rank stupidity of many of their number who leave their well tended, centrally heated nests nests and fly around the world only to find "different continent, same old poo...", living in a shed, earning peanuts and spending a fortune on field sports.....

CDC experts suggest that you do not approach infected Kiwis or attempt to enter into heated debate with them as they have been known to spit the dummy, yell "yeah whatever" and claim you know nothing about life in their country, before politely requesting that you leave the vicinity.
end of newsflash
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