Originally Posted by Joshlin

Hi Jan
House looks lovely - we've just started the rental trail in chch - can I ask how much you're paying a week just to get some comparison?

Originally Posted by kathm

Hi Jan,

Brilliant post!!! Lots of useful info.
Regarding "Coro" that must put it over 5 years behind cos Sarah Lou's "baby" is now at school!!! Or was it her second pregnancy??? As you tell, I'm a "Corrie" fan.

Onto the more important stuff - the freedom that your kids have now sounds great. My eldest will be nearly 4 when we arrive in january, so obviously no freedom like yours have yet, but it's great to know how safe you feel - especially since I am familiar with where you lived in the UK so I can make a decent comparison.

Glad you're enjoying life there. Forgive my ignorance, but where you are living - can you expect colder weather/houses there than in Tauranga area cos we asked Dave's new boss about how cold it gets so I knew how many big thick jumpers to bring, and he said it's much warmer there than the UK and they only get the occasional day of frost so to only take a couple of big jumpers for occasional use.

Bye for now

Kathryn

Originally Posted by bookemjano

Hope some of this helps, it's just a list some of the things we've learnt over the past few weeks that may help some people:

First tip - don't keep comparing everything to UK prices, get your head into dollar mode as soon as you can because whilst you're dividing/multiplying everything by 2.5 you're not really getting a realistic view of prices because you're comparing what you're spending in line with what you earned in the UK. So work out how much you'll have each week on your NZ salary and allocate your budget, then when you're doing your buying you can relate it to that money, it gives you a false picture to relate it to UK money. You're going to be living in NZ, so what you paid for what in the UK is irrelevant. If you haven't got a job offer, work it on the basis of having $4,000 a month for a family of four, as this is the recommended income from NZIS.

Shopping

We found buying fruit and veg from a supermarket expensive, there are lots of fresh produce shops around, we found Raeward the cheapest, there's one towards Christchurch from Rangiora, I can get a location for you if you want, and it does good meat offers as well. To give an example - we spent nearly $50 on fruit and veg in a supermarket, the following week we bought much more for less than $40. But wherever you get fruit and veg it doesn't seem to have the same shelf life as in the UK and we find we need to buy twice a week rather than do one shop. But they're all open quite late so it's not difficult. Most of it is huge, spring onions are massive and really tasty, as are apples and cabbages. The asparagus is beautiful and really cheap, about $2 a kilo. Potatoes are very hit and miss - if anyone here knows of any good all rounders let me know because I can't find any.

All the big shops put mailers in your letterbox, read them properly and shop for the deals, they're all local so it's not difficult - one of us goes into New World for the offers, the other into Woolworths. New World is slightly cheaper - probably on a par with Tesco; Woolworths is on a par with Sainsbury's/Safeway, and whilst Pak N Save can be cheap its atmosphere is like Aldi/Lidl. And if you're a fart like me the shopping trolleys are a nightmare - so deep I can't reach the bottom! Let me know if you want to see the mailers, I'll send them to you.

Some of the food is hard to get used to. Hating waste, I insisted the kids ate the WeetBix, until I tried it. It's so bad you wouldn't serve it to your OH after a row. Vegetarians - forget it! No Quorn, the only tofu is in either a box (looks like lard and smells like wet paper) or a roll (looks and smells like dog brawn). You'll be fine with loads of fresh veg and carbs, but you'll need to bring your cookery books. Tinned soup is ok, pumpkin soup is my favourite and I've tried quite a few brands and never found a bad one. Cheese is quite cheap if you buy in big blocks and freeze half of it, and pretty good quality. Can't find any curry paste though, again, if any posters in NZ know where to get it?

Bread stays fresh for ages, no more freezing half a loaf. Unfortunately though it's not very big - hard to make doorstep butties even with an uncut loaf. It's cheap enough though. I'll post some piccies of the fruit compared to the bread, it's all a bit Alice in Wonderland.

For ALL shopping keep your receipts. It's quite hard to get a refund on anything unless it's broken, and most places will only give you their vouchers or an exchange. You've got no chance of any exchange without the receipt, even if the item still has its tags on. A lot of the stores are franchised and you can't take stuff back to any of the other branches.

For buying bigger stuff, like furniture, ask them whether there are any deals coming up in the next week - we asked and found out we could buy our garden furniture for $100 cheaper if we waited two days. We've yet to find somewhere where delivery is free, it ranges from $30 - $80, so factor that in when you're cyber shopping. Also, you have to ask if you want your TV equipment unpacked and set up and usually pay extra for it. We just waited until Sky came out the following day and they did it for us for free. And top loaders are brill! I love mine, though I did buy the smaller one because I couldn't reach the bottom of the bigger one without someone holding my ankles.

Hand towels are more like our guest towels - they're not big enough to wrap your hair in after a shower, so bring some. Don't buy the Supa towels from Briscoes, I've had mine for two weeks and no matter how I wash and dry them they shed like mad. I'm going to end up using them for extra warmth under the valance in winter!

Home phones/internet/Sky/TV

Telecom seem to have the monopoly, and we've had problems with their service in that they took ages sorted out our modem delivery (hence the dreaded dial up) but they did credit us a month dial up to make up for it (eventually!). For your budgets, we're paying $49 a month for 3mb broadband. If you sign up with Sky, switch it to Telecom as soon as you can because if you've got home phone and internet they will do your Sky for cheaper. Through Telecom we're paying $65 a month for Sky's basic package plus a couple of sports and a couple of movie channels. Channel 31 (J2) on Sky (with the basic package) is brilliant - all the classics for any of us over the age of 30. Phyl - don't bother with this one, there's very little 80's stuff on it. But Caroline - they did play Insatiable today. And it's the only station I've found Missy Higgins on. Otherwise, TV is a pain. In Coronation Street (it's knows as Coro, not Corrie, here) Sarah Louise has just found out she's pregnant. The adverts drive you crazy - they're on every channel and the same bloke appears in tons of them as senior citizen endorsing a product. Loads of them have jingles that stick in your head for ages. I can't say The Warehouse without following it with 'where everyone gets a bargain'. Happy to send a TV guide to anyone as well, just let me know.

Houses/Rentals

Oh beejesus they're cold! Debs, my heart goes out to you. First thing we do in the morning is open patio doors to let the heat in, honest! We stayed in a weatherboard villa for our first two weeks, never again! We had two quilts on our bed and were still putting hot water bottles in. Once the woodburner is going it does warm up, but not like central heating, more like your teeth stop chattering. And it's nearly summer, so I'm concerned about being here in Winter.

Some really good news on renting - you don't pay rates, saving me a budgetted $140 a month for six months (that's a lot of asparagus!). I assume that's everywhere, not just in Waimakiri, but you might want to check it out.

Schools/kids

First day of school they'll come back saying they've got to pay this, that and the other. So far, we've paid out over $100 and they've only been there one day. This includes starter packs, and family donations, and that's before we receive the invoice for the fees. Uniform is expensive, I'm sure that's not particular to the school we've chosen. But if you have to get your uniform at Postie +, just buy one item first, then pay for the bulk of it in the second transaction, that way the school gets 10% of the amount you've spent.

Loads of kids drive to school, so dropping off and picking up is a nightmare, when you're recceing the school, find a designated pick up point a few yards away and make sure your kids know to go there. Don't try to take on the school buses for space - you'll lose!

The local libraries are brilliant, but take your passport to join. They're really laid back, not stuffy like some UK ones. Phyl - hope you get a job in one of them, you'll love it. They're great with kids, ours has a Playstation and bean bags tucked away. They have the latest magazines you can rent for $1 a week - worth it because magazines here are ridiculously priced - if you've budgetted $250 for your shopping $8.95 for Marie Claire seems like an extravagant luxury, and all of them are the Australian editions. You have to pay for new titles and latest bestsellers but there are more than enough books you won't have seen before for working through. The libraries are really community based, as some UK ones are, but we found out more about local events from there than from the District Council.

(Joss Stone on J2 now.)

Safety/Trust

I know safety and security is 10% fact and 90% perception, but I can honestly say I have never felt my kids are safer. They go out for hours and I don't worry, there's a skate park up the road and beautiful parks around every corner for them to hang around in. At just over two weeks here my kids have a freedom they could have only dreamed of in the UK.

When you go shopping you'll notice cars are unlocked, as are bikes, people leave their handbags at the table in pubs and cafes whilst they go to the bar/toilet. Some of the larger shops do have notices about having the right to search your bags, and there are security guards, but seeing as they're wearing hats that look like they're cowboy wannabes it's hard to take them seriously.

Before anyone jumps on this, yes I know there are problems here, and crime is on the way up, I'm not wearing rose tinted glasses, but in comparison, it is safer. I don't drive, but Steve has seen some pretty horrific driving - particularly from those cars-come-truck things with bullhorns, and loads of roads have awful tyre skid marks that make you shudder.

So, nothing more to offer at the moment, and Sting has just come on J2 and I'm very easily distracted, so hope some of this is of use.

Originally Posted by bookemjano

Hi Kathryn, Rangiora is 30 mins north of Christchurch. The locals say it's warmer than Christchurch as it doesn't get the winds. If that's true I'm glad I'm not in Christchurch today. I'm freezing! I even did some ironing to warm up, how desperate is that. No idea where Tauranga is though, sorry.

Originally Posted by bookemjano

Hi Kathryn, Rangiora is 30 mins north of Christchurch. The locals say it's warmer than Christchurch as it doesn't get the winds. If that's true I'm glad I'm not in Christchurch today. I'm freezing! I even did some ironing to warm up, how desperate is that. No idea where Tauranga is though, sorry.

Originally Posted by Pompey_Paul

Excellent....another 30 Mins north and you will be swimming with Dolphins in Kaikoura.......(my fave place).

Originally Posted by sky

Don't you mean three hours?

Originally Posted by uk+kiwi

Hi Kath/Jan,


I can remember freezing at Easter time staying with rellies in Christchurch - in the house in the eves/night. Daytimes were fine but I can still remember that cold through to your bones feeling that I also got in the Lake District as a child visiting grannies on holiday from Saudi Arabia. Am slightly more adjusted to the UK weather now. Central heating an absolute must I think and I can't believe that for c. $20k NZD more people don't have it. Its just madness! It's some sort of bravado attitide amongst those who could afford it but choose not to. I do appreciate that for many there is no choice, but I for one would be happy to be a toasty soft pom over a hardy cold kiwi.


Hi Carmen
LOL re the toasty soft pom & hardy cold kiwi!! To those of us born in NZ we really dont feel the cold in our houses the way those of you who are used to central heating etc do. Often its not a case of not being able to afford it, its more a case of not needing it. Personally I didnt find living in my home in CHCH cold until I made the move overseas to a cosy warm centrally heated home. Now Ive had a taste of it it has somewhat softened me because whenever I return home during the winter I absolutely freeze & my family dont understand why as they are so accostomed to it they think Ive grown soft...sometimes ignorance is bliss I guess. IMHO it isnt a case of bravado, its just a way of life that we live with because its the norm for us & yes maybe we do harden to it. I can tell you though when this kiwi does make the move home again I wont be living in a house without adequate heating again

Originally Posted by bookemjano

Hope some of this helps, it's just a list some of the things we've learnt over the past few weeks that may help some people:

First tip - don't keep comparing everything to UK prices, get your head into dollar mode as soon as you can because whilst you're dividing/multiplying everything by 2.5 you're not really getting a realistic view of prices because you're comparing what you're spending in line with what you earned in the UK. So work out how much you'll have each week on your NZ salary and allocate your budget, then when you're doing your buying you can relate it to that money, it gives you a false picture to relate it to UK money. You're going to be living in NZ, so what you paid for what in the UK is irrelevant. If you haven't got a job offer, work it on the basis of having $4,000 a month for a family of four, as this is the recommended income from NZIS.

Shopping

We found buying fruit and veg from a supermarket expensive, there are lots of fresh produce shops around, we found Raeward the cheapest, there's one towards Christchurch from Rangiora, I can get a location for you if you want, and it does good meat offers as well. To give an example - we spent nearly $50 on fruit and veg in a supermarket, the following week we bought much more for less than $40. But wherever you get fruit and veg it doesn't seem to have the same shelf life as in the UK and we find we need to buy twice a week rather than do one shop. But they're all open quite late so it's not difficult. Most of it is huge, spring onions are massive and really tasty, as are apples and cabbages. The asparagus is beautiful and really cheap, about $2 a kilo. Potatoes are very hit and miss - if anyone here knows of any good all rounders let me know because I can't find any.

All the big shops put mailers in your letterbox, read them properly and shop for the deals, they're all local so it's not difficult - one of us goes into New World for the offers, the other into Woolworths. New World is slightly cheaper - probably on a par with Tesco; Woolworths is on a par with Sainsbury's/Safeway, and whilst Pak N Save can be cheap its atmosphere is like Aldi/Lidl. And if you're a fart like me the shopping trolleys are a nightmare - so deep I can't reach the bottom! Let me know if you want to see the mailers, I'll send them to you.

Some of the food is hard to get used to. Hating waste, I insisted the kids ate the WeetBix, until I tried it. It's so bad you wouldn't serve it to your OH after a row. Vegetarians - forget it! No Quorn, the only tofu is in either a box (looks like lard and smells like wet paper) or a roll (looks and smells like dog brawn). You'll be fine with loads of fresh veg and carbs, but you'll need to bring your cookery books. Tinned soup is ok, pumpkin soup is my favourite and I've tried quite a few brands and never found a bad one. Cheese is quite cheap if you buy in big blocks and freeze half of it, and pretty good quality. Can't find any curry paste though, again, if any posters in NZ know where to get it?

Bread stays fresh for ages, no more freezing half a loaf. Unfortunately though it's not very big - hard to make doorstep butties even with an uncut loaf. It's cheap enough though. I'll post some piccies of the fruit compared to the bread, it's all a bit Alice in Wonderland.

For ALL shopping keep your receipts. It's quite hard to get a refund on anything unless it's broken, and most places will only give you their vouchers or an exchange. You've got no chance of any exchange without the receipt, even if the item still has its tags on. A lot of the stores are franchised and you can't take stuff back to any of the other branches.

For buying bigger stuff, like furniture, ask them whether there are any deals coming up in the next week - we asked and found out we could buy our garden furniture for $100 cheaper if we waited two days. We've yet to find somewhere where delivery is free, it ranges from $30 - $80, so factor that in when you're cyber shopping. Also, you have to ask if you want your TV equipment unpacked and set up and usually pay extra for it. We just waited until Sky came out the following day and they did it for us for free. And top loaders are brill! I love mine, though I did buy the smaller one because I couldn't reach the bottom of the bigger one without someone holding my ankles.

Hand towels are more like our guest towels - they're not big enough to wrap your hair in after a shower, so bring some. Don't buy the Supa towels from Briscoes, I've had mine for two weeks and no matter how I wash and dry them they shed like mad. I'm going to end up using them for extra warmth under the valance in winter!

Home phones/internet/Sky/TV

Telecom seem to have the monopoly, and we've had problems with their service in that they took ages sorted out our modem delivery (hence the dreaded dial up) but they did credit us a month dial up to make up for it (eventually!). For your budgets, we're paying $49 a month for 3mb broadband. If you sign up with Sky, switch it to Telecom as soon as you can because if you've got home phone and internet they will do your Sky for cheaper. Through Telecom we're paying $65 a month for Sky's basic package plus a couple of sports and a couple of movie channels. Channel 31 (J2) on Sky (with the basic package) is brilliant - all the classics for any of us over the age of 30. Phyl - don't bother with this one, there's very little 80's stuff on it. But Caroline - they did play Insatiable today. And it's the only station I've found Missy Higgins on. Otherwise, TV is a pain. In Coronation Street (it's knows as Coro, not Corrie, here) Sarah Louise has just found out she's pregnant. The adverts drive you crazy - they're on every channel and the same bloke appears in tons of them as senior citizen endorsing a product. Loads of them have jingles that stick in your head for ages. I can't say The Warehouse without following it with 'where everyone gets a bargain'. Happy to send a TV guide to anyone as well, just let me know.

Houses/Rentals

Oh beejesus they're cold! Debs, my heart goes out to you. First thing we do in the morning is open patio doors to let the heat in, honest! We stayed in a weatherboard villa for our first two weeks, never again! We had two quilts on our bed and were still putting hot water bottles in. Once the woodburner is going it does warm up, but not like central heating, more like your teeth stop chattering. And it's nearly summer, so I'm concerned about being here in Winter.

Some really good news on renting - you don't pay rates, saving me a budgetted $140 a month for six months (that's a lot of asparagus!). I assume that's everywhere, not just in Waimakiri, but you might want to check it out.

Schools/kids

First day of school they'll come back saying they've got to pay this, that and the other. So far, we've paid out over $100 and they've only been there one day. This includes starter packs, and family donations, and that's before we receive the invoice for the fees. Uniform is expensive, I'm sure that's not particular to the school we've chosen. But if you have to get your uniform at Postie +, just buy one item first, then pay for the bulk of it in the second transaction, that way the school gets 10% of the amount you've spent.

Loads of kids drive to school, so dropping off and picking up is a nightmare, when you're recceing the school, find a designated pick up point a few yards away and make sure your kids know to go there. Don't try to take on the school buses for space - you'll lose!

The local libraries are brilliant, but take your passport to join. They're really laid back, not stuffy like some UK ones. Phyl - hope you get a job in one of them, you'll love it. They're great with kids, ours has a Playstation and bean bags tucked away. They have the latest magazines you can rent for $1 a week - worth it because magazines here are ridiculously priced - if you've budgetted $250 for your shopping $8.95 for Marie Claire seems like an extravagant luxury, and all of them are the Australian editions. You have to pay for new titles and latest bestsellers but there are more than enough books you won't have seen before for working through. The libraries are really community based, as some UK ones are, but we found out more about local events from there than from the District Council.

(Joss Stone on J2 now.)

Safety/Trust

I know safety and security is 10% fact and 90% perception, but I can honestly say I have never felt my kids are safer. They go out for hours and I don't worry, there's a skate park up the road and beautiful parks around every corner for them to hang around in. At just over two weeks here my kids have a freedom they could have only dreamed of in the UK.

When you go shopping you'll notice cars are unlocked, as are bikes, people leave their handbags at the table in pubs and cafes whilst they go to the bar/toilet. Some of the larger shops do have notices about having the right to search your bags, and there are security guards, but seeing as they're wearing hats that look like they're cowboy wannabes it's hard to take them seriously.

Before anyone jumps on this, yes I know there are problems here, and crime is on the way up, I'm not wearing rose tinted glasses, but in comparison, it is safer. I don't drive, but Steve has seen some pretty horrific driving - particularly from those cars-come-truck things with bullhorns, and loads of roads have awful tyre skid marks that make you shudder.

So, nothing more to offer at the moment, and Sting has just come on J2 and I'm very easily distracted, so hope some of this is of use.