So what would you say is expensive in NZ?
Jan 23rd 2008, 7:21 am
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Re: So what would you say is expensive in NZ?
people just don't listen or believe it because of the repeated anti-NZ outlook (on an NZ forum.)
Very good point. Why do some folk come onto this area of the site and post SO much anti NZ stuff? Like look at all the people leaving NZ, look at all NZ's problems etc, etc......and on it goes.
There is a place for pros and cons but some people to tend more to be on the negative side..they are the ones in the main who have left. Some of us left the UK because we saw too many negatives to carry on living there, but we do not go onto the returning to the UK site and slag off the UK at every opportunity.
Why can't some people accept NZ works for some of us (amazing as it to some of those who have been and left!), NZ is full of problems and issues that come where ever you have people living en masse.
NZ is wonderful, as is the UK, US, Oz (all in their own different ways), NZ fulfilled ALL our expectations..but as a country it is full of shity, nasty problems like virtually everywhere else on earth. What's the saying..same shit different bucket? I just happen to like this bucket.....if I was rich enough I think I would live in a bunch of different counties throughout the year.
Peace to everyone, hey and aren't we soooooooooo lucky to be able to move arond, some poor buggers can never escape 'their world' for something new.
Very good point. Why do some folk come onto this area of the site and post SO much anti NZ stuff? Like look at all the people leaving NZ, look at all NZ's problems etc, etc......and on it goes.
There is a place for pros and cons but some people to tend more to be on the negative side..they are the ones in the main who have left. Some of us left the UK because we saw too many negatives to carry on living there, but we do not go onto the returning to the UK site and slag off the UK at every opportunity.
Why can't some people accept NZ works for some of us (amazing as it to some of those who have been and left!), NZ is full of problems and issues that come where ever you have people living en masse.
NZ is wonderful, as is the UK, US, Oz (all in their own different ways), NZ fulfilled ALL our expectations..but as a country it is full of shity, nasty problems like virtually everywhere else on earth. What's the saying..same shit different bucket? I just happen to like this bucket.....if I was rich enough I think I would live in a bunch of different counties throughout the year.
Peace to everyone, hey and aren't we soooooooooo lucky to be able to move arond, some poor buggers can never escape 'their world' for something new.
Your last point,................
That is so true. I watched the most awful programme the other night about people trying to escape from poor countries, being smuggled by boat, whole families, often dying on the way, living no better than flies. It was just heartbreaking. Bodies washed up on the shore, babies, children, woman and men. We do not know how lucky we are. Thanks Genesis for making us realise how lucky we are. We have NOTHING to moan about do we?!!!
Last edited by Lexylou; Jan 23rd 2008 at 7:43 am.
Jan 23rd 2008, 7:31 am
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Re: So what would you say is expensive in NZ?
...Very good point. Why do some folk come onto this area of the site and post SO much anti NZ stuff? Like look at all the people leaving NZ, look at all NZ's problems etc, etc......and on it goes.
There is a place for pros and cons but some people to tend more to be on the negative side..they are the ones in the main who have left. Some of us left the UK because we saw too many negatives to carry on living there, but we do not go onto the returning to the UK site and slag off the UK at every opportunity.
Why can'those who have been and left!), NZ is full of problems and issues that come t some people accept NZ works for some of us (amazing as it to some of where ever you have people living en masse.
NZ is wonderful, as is the UK, US, Oz (all in their own different ways), NZ fulfilled ALL our expectations..but as a country it is full of shity, nasty problems like virtually everywhere else on earth. What's the saying..same shit different bucket? I just happen to like this bucket.....if I was rich enough I think I would live in a bunch of different counties throughout the year.
Peace to everyone, hey and aren't we soooooooooo lucky to be able to move arond, some poor buggers can never escape 'their world' for something new.
There is a place for pros and cons but some people to tend more to be on the negative side..they are the ones in the main who have left. Some of us left the UK because we saw too many negatives to carry on living there, but we do not go onto the returning to the UK site and slag off the UK at every opportunity.
Why can'those who have been and left!), NZ is full of problems and issues that come t some people accept NZ works for some of us (amazing as it to some of where ever you have people living en masse.
NZ is wonderful, as is the UK, US, Oz (all in their own different ways), NZ fulfilled ALL our expectations..but as a country it is full of shity, nasty problems like virtually everywhere else on earth. What's the saying..same shit different bucket? I just happen to like this bucket.....if I was rich enough I think I would live in a bunch of different counties throughout the year.
Peace to everyone, hey and aren't we soooooooooo lucky to be able to move arond, some poor buggers can never escape 'their world' for something new.
that's life, and more to the point that's internet life
TBH I'd rather hear the somewhat extreme or possibly "bitter and twisted" opinions of a minority posting their views and experiences, warts and all, than listen to a stream of trite, useful posts about the cost of toilet paper and how great NZ is and how wonderful we all are for living here - but then that is my opinion.
[one could argue that you will get enough of that when you arrrive - just look at the "how humble and straightforward Sir Ed was - just like all NZers" that was being banded around by many over here as a sign of how NZ just loves to blow its own trumpet when getting it all wrong ..... and that's not just my opinion, go ahead and read some of the newspaper commentators, *some* agree] - rant over.....
the counter view to the argument that:
posting "NZ is crap" will offend everyone who decided to come to NZ as it implies that they are stupid or got it all wrong
is that:
people who find even the suggestion that "NZ is crap" to be so offensive are either (i) so insecure in their own decision that they will take offence at anything or anyone that could suggest that they might have been wrong or (ii) so insecure in their own national identity that they become defensive at any suggestion that their adopted nation is anything other than fantastic, great, etc or (iii) something to do with their family/partner/mates/ethnicity/religious beliefs/holiday experiences combined with (i) or (ii) - those in number (iii) seem to take any anti-NZ posts the hardest and come back with personal stuff the most often IMHO.
I think that the reality is somewhere in between but I must say that I have experienced some of all of those views on this site!
I live in NZ, love a lot of it, enjoy a great deal of what is here for us and the kids and hate quite a few things about life here - hell, its just like (m)any other country(s). After living here for a year now (last Thursday was our anniversary and we were in Chch at the time on a well-earned holiday, the first and probably the last for quite a few more months) I have got to grips with some of the things that got to me when we arrived (mostly the driving) but there are still some issues that I still feel strongly enough about to post on - sorry if that offends but generally I am trying to highlight the negatives to help and maybe add a little balance.
Looking back at the old threads you can see it all there, just look at some of the really old ones talking about pay, conditions and living costs - it's all being debated by another "generation" and then look at some of the "negative" posters who have been derided and some might say "hounded" out - that's my real beef with this.........you'll see that some folks dont want to hear the bad and others just want to get it off their chest - TBH that's what this sort of forum is for, and wht Genesis has to says right in there as reasonable opinion, just lets not get personal about it and have a go at anyone that makes us feel a little uncomfortable or think hard about what we have done.
/off to the library now with the big un to get his holiday scheme stuff finished/
Jan 23rd 2008, 7:44 am
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Re: So what would you say is expensive in NZ?
well, sorry to say it but this is a public forum on the internet, so there will be lots of useful nuggets and some real dross posted.
that's life, and more to the point that's internet life
TBH I'd rather hear the somewhat extreme or possibly "bitter and twisted" opinions of a minority posting their views and experiences, warts and all, than listen to a stream of trite, useful posts about the cost of toilet paper and how great NZ is and how wonderful we all are for living here - but then that is my opinion.
[one could argue that you will get enough of that when you arrrive - just look at the "how humble and straightforward Sir Ed was - just like all NZers" that was being banded around by many over here as a sign of how NZ just loves to blow its own trumpet when getting it all wrong ..... and that's not just my opinion, go ahead and read some of the newspaper commentators, *some* agree] - rant over.....
the counter view to the argument that:
posting "NZ is crap" will offend everyone who decided to come to NZ as it implies that they are stupid or got it all wrong
is that:
people who find even the suggestion that "NZ is crap" to be so offensive are either (i) so insecure in their own decision that they will take offence at anything or anyone that could suggest that they might have been wrong or (ii) so insecure in their own national identity that they become defensive at any suggestion that their adopted nation is anything other than fantastic, great, etc or (iii) something to do with their family/partner/mates/ethnicity/religious beliefs/holiday experiences combined with (i) or (ii) - those in number (iii) seem to take any anti-NZ posts the hardest and come back with personal stuff the most often IMHO.
I think that the reality is somewhere in between but I must say that I have experienced some of all of those views on this site!
I live in NZ, love a lot of it, enjoy a great deal of what is here for us and the kids and hate quite a few things about life here - hell, its just like (m)any other country(s). After living here for a year now (last Thursday was our anniversary and we were in Chch at the time on a well-earned holiday, the first and probably the last for quite a few more months) I have got to grips with some of the things that got to me when we arrived (mostly the driving) but there are still some issues that I still feel strongly enough about to post on - sorry if that offends but generally I am trying to highlight the negatives to help and maybe add a little balance.
Looking back at the old threads you can see it all there, just look at some of the really old ones talking about pay, conditions and living costs - it's all being debated by another "generation" and then look at some of the "negative" posters who have been derided and some might say "hounded" out - that's my real beef with this.........you'll see that some folks dont want to hear the bad and others just want to get it off their chest - TBH that's what this sort of forum is for, and wht Genesis has to says right in there as reasonable opinion, just lets not get personal about it and have a go at anyone that makes us feel a little uncomfortable or think hard about what we have done.
/off to the library now with the big un to get his holiday scheme stuff finished/
that's life, and more to the point that's internet life
TBH I'd rather hear the somewhat extreme or possibly "bitter and twisted" opinions of a minority posting their views and experiences, warts and all, than listen to a stream of trite, useful posts about the cost of toilet paper and how great NZ is and how wonderful we all are for living here - but then that is my opinion.
[one could argue that you will get enough of that when you arrrive - just look at the "how humble and straightforward Sir Ed was - just like all NZers" that was being banded around by many over here as a sign of how NZ just loves to blow its own trumpet when getting it all wrong ..... and that's not just my opinion, go ahead and read some of the newspaper commentators, *some* agree] - rant over.....
the counter view to the argument that:
posting "NZ is crap" will offend everyone who decided to come to NZ as it implies that they are stupid or got it all wrong
is that:
people who find even the suggestion that "NZ is crap" to be so offensive are either (i) so insecure in their own decision that they will take offence at anything or anyone that could suggest that they might have been wrong or (ii) so insecure in their own national identity that they become defensive at any suggestion that their adopted nation is anything other than fantastic, great, etc or (iii) something to do with their family/partner/mates/ethnicity/religious beliefs/holiday experiences combined with (i) or (ii) - those in number (iii) seem to take any anti-NZ posts the hardest and come back with personal stuff the most often IMHO.
I think that the reality is somewhere in between but I must say that I have experienced some of all of those views on this site!
I live in NZ, love a lot of it, enjoy a great deal of what is here for us and the kids and hate quite a few things about life here - hell, its just like (m)any other country(s). After living here for a year now (last Thursday was our anniversary and we were in Chch at the time on a well-earned holiday, the first and probably the last for quite a few more months) I have got to grips with some of the things that got to me when we arrived (mostly the driving) but there are still some issues that I still feel strongly enough about to post on - sorry if that offends but generally I am trying to highlight the negatives to help and maybe add a little balance.
Looking back at the old threads you can see it all there, just look at some of the really old ones talking about pay, conditions and living costs - it's all being debated by another "generation" and then look at some of the "negative" posters who have been derided and some might say "hounded" out - that's my real beef with this.........you'll see that some folks dont want to hear the bad and others just want to get it off their chest - TBH that's what this sort of forum is for, and wht Genesis has to says right in there as reasonable opinion, just lets not get personal about it and have a go at anyone that makes us feel a little uncomfortable or think hard about what we have done.
/off to the library now with the big un to get his holiday scheme stuff finished/
Jan 23rd 2008, 8:12 am
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Re: So what would you say is expensive in NZ?
That's it in a nutshell. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and the right to express them. Just sometimes it is the manner of that expression that becomes a problem. Once it starts becoming personal, it detracts from the usefulness and community spirit of this forum: people become bored reading it or scared off in case they get jumped on.
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Jan 23rd 2008, 8:27 am
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Re: So what would you say is expensive in NZ?
That's it in a nutshell. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and the right to express them. Just sometimes it is the manner of that expression that becomes a problem. Once it starts becoming personal, it detracts from the usefulness and community spirit of this forum: people become bored reading it or scared off in case they get jumped on.
Respect each other and 'it's all good'
Respect each other and 'it's all good'
Again, peace to all, have a good life where ever you lay your shopping bag.
Jan 23rd 2008, 8:33 am
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Re: So what would you say is expensive in NZ?
Jan 23rd 2008, 11:14 am
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Re: So what would you say is expensive in NZ?
now how much is toilet paper/deodorizer????
i'll get me coat.............................................. ....
Jan 23rd 2008, 11:17 am
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Re: So what would you say is expensive in NZ?
That's it in a nutshell. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and the right to express them. Just sometimes it is the manner of that expression that becomes a problem. Once it starts becoming personal, it detracts from the usefulness and community spirit of this forum: people become bored reading it or scared off in case they get jumped on.
Respect each other and 'it's all good'
Respect each other and 'it's all good'
peace to all
Jan 23rd 2008, 11:26 am
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Jan 23rd 2008, 12:56 pm
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Jan 23rd 2008, 1:19 pm
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Re: So what would you say is expensive in NZ?
well, sorry to say it but this is a public forum on the internet, so there will be lots of useful nuggets and some real dross posted.
that's life, and more to the point that's internet life
TBH I'd rather hear the somewhat extreme or possibly "bitter and twisted" opinions of a minority posting their views and experiences, warts and all, than listen to a stream of trite, useful posts about the cost of toilet paper and how great NZ is and how wonderful we all are for living here - but then that is my opinion.
[one could argue that you will get enough of that when you arrrive - just look at the "how humble and straightforward Sir Ed was - just like all NZers" that was being banded around by many over here as a sign of how NZ just loves to blow its own trumpet when getting it all wrong ..... and that's not just my opinion, go ahead and read some of the newspaper commentators, *some* agree] - rant over.....
the counter view to the argument that:
posting "NZ is crap" will offend everyone who decided to come to NZ as it implies that they are stupid or got it all wrong
is that:
people who find even the suggestion that "NZ is crap" to be so offensive are either (i) so insecure in their own decision that they will take offence at anything or anyone that could suggest that they might have been wrong or (ii) so insecure in their own national identity that they become defensive at any suggestion that their adopted nation is anything other than fantastic, great, etc or (iii) something to do with their family/partner/mates/ethnicity/religious beliefs/holiday experiences combined with (i) or (ii) - those in number (iii) seem to take any anti-NZ posts the hardest and come back with personal stuff the most often IMHO.
I think that the reality is somewhere in between but I must say that I have experienced some of all of those views on this site!
I live in NZ, love a lot of it, enjoy a great deal of what is here for us and the kids and hate quite a few things about life here - hell, its just like (m)any other country(s). After living here for a year now (last Thursday was our anniversary and we were in Chch at the time on a well-earned holiday, the first and probably the last for quite a few more months) I have got to grips with some of the things that got to me when we arrived (mostly the driving) but there are still some issues that I still feel strongly enough about to post on - sorry if that offends but generally I am trying to highlight the negatives to help and maybe add a little balance.
Looking back at the old threads you can see it all there, just look at some of the really old ones talking about pay, conditions and living costs - it's all being debated by another "generation" and then look at some of the "negative" posters who have been derided and some might say "hounded" out - that's my real beef with this.........you'll see that some folks dont want to hear the bad and others just want to get it off their chest - TBH that's what this sort of forum is for, and wht Genesis has to says right in there as reasonable opinion, just lets not get personal about it and have a go at anyone that makes us feel a little uncomfortable or think hard about what we have done.
/off to the library now with the big un to get his holiday scheme stuff finished/
that's life, and more to the point that's internet life
TBH I'd rather hear the somewhat extreme or possibly "bitter and twisted" opinions of a minority posting their views and experiences, warts and all, than listen to a stream of trite, useful posts about the cost of toilet paper and how great NZ is and how wonderful we all are for living here - but then that is my opinion.
[one could argue that you will get enough of that when you arrrive - just look at the "how humble and straightforward Sir Ed was - just like all NZers" that was being banded around by many over here as a sign of how NZ just loves to blow its own trumpet when getting it all wrong ..... and that's not just my opinion, go ahead and read some of the newspaper commentators, *some* agree] - rant over.....
the counter view to the argument that:
posting "NZ is crap" will offend everyone who decided to come to NZ as it implies that they are stupid or got it all wrong
is that:
people who find even the suggestion that "NZ is crap" to be so offensive are either (i) so insecure in their own decision that they will take offence at anything or anyone that could suggest that they might have been wrong or (ii) so insecure in their own national identity that they become defensive at any suggestion that their adopted nation is anything other than fantastic, great, etc or (iii) something to do with their family/partner/mates/ethnicity/religious beliefs/holiday experiences combined with (i) or (ii) - those in number (iii) seem to take any anti-NZ posts the hardest and come back with personal stuff the most often IMHO.
I think that the reality is somewhere in between but I must say that I have experienced some of all of those views on this site!
I live in NZ, love a lot of it, enjoy a great deal of what is here for us and the kids and hate quite a few things about life here - hell, its just like (m)any other country(s). After living here for a year now (last Thursday was our anniversary and we were in Chch at the time on a well-earned holiday, the first and probably the last for quite a few more months) I have got to grips with some of the things that got to me when we arrived (mostly the driving) but there are still some issues that I still feel strongly enough about to post on - sorry if that offends but generally I am trying to highlight the negatives to help and maybe add a little balance.
Looking back at the old threads you can see it all there, just look at some of the really old ones talking about pay, conditions and living costs - it's all being debated by another "generation" and then look at some of the "negative" posters who have been derided and some might say "hounded" out - that's my real beef with this.........you'll see that some folks dont want to hear the bad and others just want to get it off their chest - TBH that's what this sort of forum is for, and wht Genesis has to says right in there as reasonable opinion, just lets not get personal about it and have a go at anyone that makes us feel a little uncomfortable or think hard about what we have done.
/off to the library now with the big un to get his holiday scheme stuff finished/
Good one!!!
Jan 23rd 2008, 4:56 pm
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Re: So what would you say is expensive in NZ?
Getting back on topic - would you say your recent NZ holiday was expensive?
I just did a pre-booked (over internet about a month in advance) touring holiday of North Island staying for 1, 2 maximum 3 nights in places with OH and 2 kids and felt it was much cheaper to get quality family accommodation to sleep 4 here than it is in the UK.
For anyone such as Wessa trying to work out detailed budgets, from this morning I have had the following transactions: 2 kids' municipal group swimming lessons cost $228 per term total (4 terms per year= 40 lessons per year), I filled my almost empty car up for $87, had two kids meals, drinks, coffee and cake in the local swimming pool cafe for $ 25.50, entrance for 2 kids to swim and Mum to spectate was $7.
I put my car through the car wash at Mobil for $12 (cheapest option was $8).
To hold my post whilst away on holiday was $20 (necessary here as houses don't have slots in the door for letters but a box thing at the end of the garden like in USA).
Just reviewed some bank statements and our combined insurance policy through Tower for house insurance (contents only) and car insurance for 2 newish cars results in a monthly direct debit of $186), a recent trip to my GP was $30, podiatrist $75. SkyTv including movies and multi-room seems to cost $93 per month.
I find electricity and gas bills really expensive, especially as unusually my rental has central heating and I put it on in winter!
Hope this helps - I find clothes cheaper here but not much else if I'm honest.
Wessa, I agree that $50,000 sounds better than £25,000 but it's hard psychologically to see a 50% pay cut as an enticement to go halfway across the world.
Has anyone ever tried approaching their employer and saying you'd love to come but don't see how you could possibly manage on 50% less than you get in UK? Maybe if they really want you, they will up it a bit? Just a thought.
Peace to all from me too!
Jan 23rd 2008, 5:03 pm
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