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Well yes and no, but by definition, amount, large, size....... call it what you will, is not everything!


Bright eyes, burning like fire
Bright eyes, how can you close and fail
How can the light that burned so brightly
Suddenly burn so pale
Bright eyes

A tail (sic) of more than one rabbit.

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I see. :)

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But I have never shot a Bengal Tiger, how could I???

I have not even got a gun big enough!

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How many people do you honestly know that live in an area like this? Typical Daily Mail stuff. And then, have you visited areas like this in NZ? Because they exist too. Except possibly for 'true' council estates - does NZ even have them?

My mum and her partner, my sister, her hubby and daughter, my nephews their girlfriends, my aunts and uncles, too many friends and colleagues to count thats for Nottingham.

In York, family and friends.

In Huddersfield friends.

In Selby family.

If you've never seen a burnt out car then you obviously have never visited one of our over populated inner city areas. Only ever read the daily mail once and thought it was shit.

For the sake of repeating myself yet again. I KNOW THERE ARE CRAP PLACES AND DANGEROUS PEOPLE WHEREVER YOU GO BUT IN COMPARISON TO THE UK I HAVE NOT WITNESSED ANYTHING NEAR AS BAD IN NZ!!!!!

As for looking for like for like ...what....why the **** would I, I came here to get away from that crap not try and find somewhere just like it, but having travelled fairly extensively in NZ I haven't seen anything anywhere near as bad as the UK hence my point yet again it does not compare! In the UK you only need drive from one city to another and find the local council estate try looking for one...p.s. use the internet and look up council estates I don't know if they list them in the DAILY MAIL!

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Goodness me. Why are you so angry? My experiences are equally valid to your own and I was interested in your viewpoints hence the question/s.

I quite like the Daily Mail actually. It's my paper of choice along with The Times. :D

I am well aware that council estates are rife in the UK, I was saying that I had no idea whether they existed in NZ - ie in terms of the same govt funded nature. No need to be so patronizing.

My point was simply that both countries have good and bad areas and that your crime ridden description does not fit the whole of the UK. And vice versa for NZ. And of course I appreciate you do not want to compare the two, but comparing a high socioeconomic area of NZ vs a low one in the UK is somewhat unfair IMO. But as I said, good on you for improving your life. That's great. :)

Both countries are great. England has some wonderful Utopian villages/areas just like NZ. :)

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How many people do you honestly know that live in an area like this...Angry because your post was patronising...quite simple really, don't presume to know people!

Everyones opinions are valid, but for the last page of posts I have had to repeat the same thing because people clearly aren't reading the post. I am not comparing anything I quite simply stated what my opinion was and have spent what seems like hours having to justify that.

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Well I'm sorry that you feel that way. So having taken my post as patronizing, which it wasn't meant to be (it was expressing interest), so I apologise, I am stunned that the response is to patrionize in return.

On the one hand it's good that you do know people for which these awful circumstances are a daily reality, since I honestly don't think many do when totally sensationalising bad stuff with generalisations, including the media. But obviously it's not good that you do actually know people living with these things too.

It just isn't a UK that I know. And sorry if that pees you off too. ;)

p.s. I apologise for upsetting you. Life is too short. I hate conflict and bad feeling.

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Looks like a right beaut. :) Bet she runs fine mate. :rofl:

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Have a question. I was just wondering and this is just out of curiosity really (or nosiness!) but what brings you out here to this wonderful country. I know why I came and its only because my hubby is a kiwi, dont think I would have been brave enough to do it otherwise. I dont regret it at all though and love it here, the good and the bad. But just wanted to know what makes other people want to leave their homes and come to the other end of the world.


I gave my opinion on the thread you gave your opinion on my opinion which quite frankly ...I didn't ask for and don't particularly want! I thought the point was to answer the thread not tell other people that their opinions are wrong...which is my interpretation of your postings.

And again in your last post
On the one hand it's good that you do know people for which these awful circumstances are a daily reality, since I honestly don't think many do ....more people live in inner cities than in the perfect little gingerbread land you seem to live in!

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Pretty villa http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...P1010053-1.jpg

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And yet again...have I said anywhere that I live in lala land where everything is perfect...no I don't think I did. I quite simply said that in the UK crime and yob culture is virulent and I have not witnessed that over here...I am sure if I looked hard enough I would find it but why would I want to do that. In the UK you don't need to hunt for it which is what I would need to do in NZ in the UK you simply visit a city.

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Lighten up I was just messing about :rofl:

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Back to an earlier mention of the Dutch couple - thought you may like to know - the second case is on just now ( In kaikohe so I pass the court almost daily) there was a huge crowd outside it yesterday, TBH I'm not sure who the support was for :confused: but from everything I've heard here people were stunned, shocked and saddened by it. Also what was interesting even though the crowd was huge there was no need for police presence at all.

When I lived in the Uk I lived in the east end of Glasgow for 10 years, not a well off area and I suppose if you read about it you'd think it was all doom and gloom, well the reality of it was entirely different - little kids ( 5 year olds) used to play outside in the back greens with their friends, completely unsupervised and I never heard of anything untoward. There was a real spirit about the place, many of the people that lived there were people that had grown up in the area and were proud of it. Yes there were bits and peices of grafitti, but I never felt unsafe.

I used to teach children with emotional difficulties - so you can only imagine some of the places these poor souls lived - and as it was residential I used to take them home at the weekends, some of the houses I would go to had syringes left lying about on the stairs, huge metal doors boarding up empty flats and obscenities all over the walls - these places on the surface were truly horrible - yet - not once did I feel nervous about going there - I was always met on the stairs by someone saying hello and smiling.

I'm not sure what I'm trying to say really, but maybe we're all used to different things - what we see as horrible and scarey is just life to other people and its the same the world over. If you want to dwell on it all and be all doom and gloom then thats your peragative, I just don't really feel the need to. If you go looking for the bad stuff its there in the Uk and NZ, but theres lots of good in the bad as well.

wow that was a ramble