Is New Zealand a 3rd World Country
May 13th 2010, 3:46 pm
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May 13th 2010, 4:02 pm
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May 13th 2010, 4:09 pm
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Re: Is New Zealand a 3rd World Country
Maybe there are some aboriginals who are not but the fact remains the vast majority are and nobody seems to care. Even until relatively recently (10-15 years) they were legally considered second class citizens. I have 2 cousins who are 1/2 aboriginal though haven't seen them for about 20 years. Last I heard they were living in a caravan park and were drug and alcohol addicted and parhaps even involved in petty crime. This seems to be the norm rather than the exception.
May 13th 2010, 4:16 pm
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Re: Is New Zealand a 3rd World Country
Maybe there are some aboriginals who are not but the fact remains the vast majority are and nobody seems to care. Even until relatively recently (10-15 years) they were legally considered second class citizens. I have 2 cousins who are 1/2 aboriginal though haven't seen them for about 20 years. Last I heard they were living in a caravan park and were drug and alcohol addicted and parhaps even involved in petty crime. This seems to be the norm rather than the exception.
There have been lots of inquiries and discussion as to why that is. Is it because aboriginal leaders tend to be partly white and therefore less connected to their people than they could be? That was teh big discussion when I lived there. And then there was the territory intervention over alcohol. Very contraversial, but again, if the government did nothing, they'd be damned for doing nothing.
Not that I think the Ozzies don't have responsibility. They do. I just don't think it's as easy as saying "they don't care".
May 14th 2010, 12:56 am
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May 14th 2010, 2:24 am
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Re: Is New Zealand a 3rd World Country
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/wprld/7...en-down-under/
May 14th 2010, 2:33 am
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Re: Is New Zealand a 3rd World Country
Maybe there are some aboriginals who are not but the fact remains the vast majority are and nobody seems to care. Even until relatively recently (10-15 years) they were legally considered second class citizens. I have 2 cousins who are 1/2 aboriginal though haven't seen them for about 20 years. Last I heard they were living in a caravan park and were drug and alcohol addicted and parhaps even involved in petty crime. This seems to be the norm rather than the exception.
May 14th 2010, 2:37 am
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Re: Is New Zealand a 3rd World Country
If you think NZ is safe from creepy crawlies read this then
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/wprld/7...en-down-under/
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/wprld/7...en-down-under/
. BUT we are not put off by all these problems are we? No, we are all pioneers. Which is nice.
May 14th 2010, 2:41 am
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Re: Is New Zealand a 3rd World Country
I don't think it's true that nobody seems to care. It's more that it's a very difficult, intractable problem which has had lots of money thrown at it with very little to show for it. So, yes, it makes the Australian government look bad but I don't think it's fair to say that they don't care.
There have been lots of inquiries and discussion as to why that is. Is it because aboriginal leaders tend to be partly white and therefore less connected to their people than they could be? That was teh big discussion when I lived there. And then there was the territory intervention over alcohol. Very contraversial, but again, if the government did nothing, they'd be damned for doing nothing.
Not that I think the Ozzies don't have responsibility. They do. I just don't think it's as easy as saying "they don't care".
There have been lots of inquiries and discussion as to why that is. Is it because aboriginal leaders tend to be partly white and therefore less connected to their people than they could be? That was teh big discussion when I lived there. And then there was the territory intervention over alcohol. Very contraversial, but again, if the government did nothing, they'd be damned for doing nothing.
Not that I think the Ozzies don't have responsibility. They do. I just don't think it's as easy as saying "they don't care".
May 14th 2010, 3:43 am
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Re: Is New Zealand a 3rd World Country
Let's not panic. There are only a few clusters of them, they are on the decline and are on the endangered species list. By contrast I was told once apparently OZ has the record for the most dangerous species living in one country. The latter is not a reason to avoid living there just to be aware of what can get you. NZ is full of vocanoes, earthquake areas (that'll be the whole country then), tsunamis, et al. I reckon that makes NZ way more dangerous to live than OZ. BUT we are not put off by all these problems are we? No, we are all pioneers. Which is nice.
. BUT we are not put off by all these problems are we? No, we are all pioneers. Which is nice.
Any pedants amoungst you will probably Google the Top Ten list....and find only 3 or 4 from Australia, but if you add most poisonous and mopst scarey ....well you get the drift
1. The Box Jellyfish
One of the most extremely lethal animals in the world, and implicitly Australian, often found on the continent. Found on the coast alongside the Great Barrier Reef, the box jellyfish possesses an extremely powerful venom. The stings are terribly painful and often fatal.
2. The Taipan
The taipan is a large, fast and highly venomous snake often found throughout Australia. The taipan has the most toxic venom out of all the species worldwide, has a dark brown color and is often found in sugar fields where it hunts for rats. The snake is usually found in the far north of Australia, in Queensland, the Northern Territory and Western Australia, where the winter is mild. Taipan’s usually stay away from people but once cornered or threatened, they strike several times.
3. Saltwater Crocodile
The largest living member of the crocodilians and reptiles, the saltwater crocodile can grow up to 18 feet (5.45 meters) in length and is often found in Thailand, Vietnam and Northern Australia. They have been known to take on animals such an adult water buffalo and have often attacked people. It is usually well camouflaged both underwater or on dry land and strikes at an amazing speed. Its most powerful attack – the death roll – consists of grabbing its prey and rolling powerfully until it dies.
4. Blue Ring Octopus
Another serious threat for those that wish to explore the waters of Australia is the blue-ringed octopus – one of the most toxic sea creatures in the world found off the coast of Australia, New Guinea, Indonesia, and the Philippines. Even though the octopus is only the size of a golf ball, there is no known antidote for its powerful venom. It causes motor paralysis, eventually leading to cardiac arrest. First aid treatment consists of pressure on the wound and mouth-to-mouth breathing that can last for several hours.
5. Stone Fish
Known as the most venomous fish in the world, the stone fish lives on the bottom of the reefs, camouflaged as a rock. It lives above the Tropic of Capricorn but can be found in the Queensland Great Barrier Reef as well. It’s venom comes from the dorsal area, that is lined with 13 spines, causing shock, paralysis and tissue death depending on the severity of the sting. First aid consists of immobilizing the venom by bandaging the affected area then applying a hot compress. The pain is said to be so excruciating that it lead to amputating the affected limb.
6. Red Back Spider
This species found all over the continent is Australia’s most famous deadly spider. The red striped spider has a neurotic venom that induces severe pain, however, deaths are rare. Thousands of people are bitten but only approximately 20% of the victims require treatment. Generally, the children and the elderly are the most exposed to the spider’s threat. This is one of the few spider species that displays sexual cannibalism while mating.
7. Brown Snake
There are several types of brown snakes but the Pseudonaja is the genus commonly found in Australia. Known as one of Australia’s most deadly creatures, the brown snake has a venom which quickly kills if it goes untreated. Even young snakes are capable of delivering a fatal bite to humans.
8. Tiger Snake
The tiger snake is another of the many venomous snakes found Australia, particularly in the southern regions. The striped snakes are not generally aggressive and retreat whenever they have the chance. The tiger snake is known as one of the deadliest snakes in the world. Although anti-venom is readily available, mortality rates are around 45% if the bite is left untreated. In most states, the species is protected and any harming or injuring lead to a fine of up to $4,000.
9. Great White Shark
This exceptionally large shark known as the white death is known as world’s largest known predatory fish. They can be found in great numbers on the southern coasts of Australia and, even though they have often been depicted as fatal to humans, they do not target them as a prey. Many of the attacks we’re not fatal, the shark only performing test-biting, out of curiosity. Humans are not a good meal, considering the shark’s slow digestion compared to the human’s muscle to fat ratio.
10. Funnel Web Spider
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May 14th 2010, 5:10 am
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Re: Is New Zealand a 3rd World Country
Actually 9 out of the top ten deadliest creatures live in or around Australia ....it'd 10 out ot the top ten if you include the Mulleted Australian Male ...a very dangerous species
Any pedants amoungst you will probably Google the Top Ten list....and find only 3 or 4 from Australia, but if you add most poisonous and mopst scarey ....well you get the drift
1. The Box Jellyfish
One of the most extremely lethal animals in the world, and implicitly Australian, often found on the continent. Found on the coast alongside the Great Barrier Reef, the box jellyfish possesses an extremely powerful venom. The stings are terribly painful and often fatal.
2. The Taipan
The taipan is a large, fast and highly venomous snake often found throughout Australia. The taipan has the most toxic venom out of all the species worldwide, has a dark brown color and is often found in sugar fields where it hunts for rats. The snake is usually found in the far north of Australia, in Queensland, the Northern Territory and Western Australia, where the winter is mild. Taipan’s usually stay away from people but once cornered or threatened, they strike several times.
3. Saltwater Crocodile
The largest living member of the crocodilians and reptiles, the saltwater crocodile can grow up to 18 feet (5.45 meters) in length and is often found in Thailand, Vietnam and Northern Australia. They have been known to take on animals such an adult water buffalo and have often attacked people. It is usually well camouflaged both underwater or on dry land and strikes at an amazing speed. Its most powerful attack – the death roll – consists of grabbing its prey and rolling powerfully until it dies.
4. Blue Ring Octopus
Another serious threat for those that wish to explore the waters of Australia is the blue-ringed octopus – one of the most toxic sea creatures in the world found off the coast of Australia, New Guinea, Indonesia, and the Philippines. Even though the octopus is only the size of a golf ball, there is no known antidote for its powerful venom. It causes motor paralysis, eventually leading to cardiac arrest. First aid treatment consists of pressure on the wound and mouth-to-mouth breathing that can last for several hours.
5. Stone Fish
Known as the most venomous fish in the world, the stone fish lives on the bottom of the reefs, camouflaged as a rock. It lives above the Tropic of Capricorn but can be found in the Queensland Great Barrier Reef as well. It’s venom comes from the dorsal area, that is lined with 13 spines, causing shock, paralysis and tissue death depending on the severity of the sting. First aid consists of immobilizing the venom by bandaging the affected area then applying a hot compress. The pain is said to be so excruciating that it lead to amputating the affected limb.
6. Red Back Spider
This species found all over the continent is Australia’s most famous deadly spider. The red striped spider has a neurotic venom that induces severe pain, however, deaths are rare. Thousands of people are bitten but only approximately 20% of the victims require treatment. Generally, the children and the elderly are the most exposed to the spider’s threat. This is one of the few spider species that displays sexual cannibalism while mating.
7. Brown Snake
There are several types of brown snakes but the Pseudonaja is the genus commonly found in Australia. Known as one of Australia’s most deadly creatures, the brown snake has a venom which quickly kills if it goes untreated. Even young snakes are capable of delivering a fatal bite to humans.
8. Tiger Snake
The tiger snake is another of the many venomous snakes found Australia, particularly in the southern regions. The striped snakes are not generally aggressive and retreat whenever they have the chance. The tiger snake is known as one of the deadliest snakes in the world. Although anti-venom is readily available, mortality rates are around 45% if the bite is left untreated. In most states, the species is protected and any harming or injuring lead to a fine of up to $4,000.
9. Great White Shark
This exceptionally large shark known as the white death is known as world’s largest known predatory fish. They can be found in great numbers on the southern coasts of Australia and, even though they have often been depicted as fatal to humans, they do not target them as a prey. Many of the attacks we’re not fatal, the shark only performing test-biting, out of curiosity. Humans are not a good meal, considering the shark’s slow digestion compared to the human’s muscle to fat ratio.
10. Funnel Web Spider
Any pedants amoungst you will probably Google the Top Ten list....and find only 3 or 4 from Australia, but if you add most poisonous and mopst scarey ....well you get the drift
1. The Box Jellyfish
One of the most extremely lethal animals in the world, and implicitly Australian, often found on the continent. Found on the coast alongside the Great Barrier Reef, the box jellyfish possesses an extremely powerful venom. The stings are terribly painful and often fatal.
2. The Taipan
The taipan is a large, fast and highly venomous snake often found throughout Australia. The taipan has the most toxic venom out of all the species worldwide, has a dark brown color and is often found in sugar fields where it hunts for rats. The snake is usually found in the far north of Australia, in Queensland, the Northern Territory and Western Australia, where the winter is mild. Taipan’s usually stay away from people but once cornered or threatened, they strike several times.
3. Saltwater Crocodile
The largest living member of the crocodilians and reptiles, the saltwater crocodile can grow up to 18 feet (5.45 meters) in length and is often found in Thailand, Vietnam and Northern Australia. They have been known to take on animals such an adult water buffalo and have often attacked people. It is usually well camouflaged both underwater or on dry land and strikes at an amazing speed. Its most powerful attack – the death roll – consists of grabbing its prey and rolling powerfully until it dies.
4. Blue Ring Octopus
Another serious threat for those that wish to explore the waters of Australia is the blue-ringed octopus – one of the most toxic sea creatures in the world found off the coast of Australia, New Guinea, Indonesia, and the Philippines. Even though the octopus is only the size of a golf ball, there is no known antidote for its powerful venom. It causes motor paralysis, eventually leading to cardiac arrest. First aid treatment consists of pressure on the wound and mouth-to-mouth breathing that can last for several hours.
5. Stone Fish
Known as the most venomous fish in the world, the stone fish lives on the bottom of the reefs, camouflaged as a rock. It lives above the Tropic of Capricorn but can be found in the Queensland Great Barrier Reef as well. It’s venom comes from the dorsal area, that is lined with 13 spines, causing shock, paralysis and tissue death depending on the severity of the sting. First aid consists of immobilizing the venom by bandaging the affected area then applying a hot compress. The pain is said to be so excruciating that it lead to amputating the affected limb.
6. Red Back Spider
This species found all over the continent is Australia’s most famous deadly spider. The red striped spider has a neurotic venom that induces severe pain, however, deaths are rare. Thousands of people are bitten but only approximately 20% of the victims require treatment. Generally, the children and the elderly are the most exposed to the spider’s threat. This is one of the few spider species that displays sexual cannibalism while mating.
7. Brown Snake
There are several types of brown snakes but the Pseudonaja is the genus commonly found in Australia. Known as one of Australia’s most deadly creatures, the brown snake has a venom which quickly kills if it goes untreated. Even young snakes are capable of delivering a fatal bite to humans.
8. Tiger Snake
The tiger snake is another of the many venomous snakes found Australia, particularly in the southern regions. The striped snakes are not generally aggressive and retreat whenever they have the chance. The tiger snake is known as one of the deadliest snakes in the world. Although anti-venom is readily available, mortality rates are around 45% if the bite is left untreated. In most states, the species is protected and any harming or injuring lead to a fine of up to $4,000.
9. Great White Shark
This exceptionally large shark known as the white death is known as world’s largest known predatory fish. They can be found in great numbers on the southern coasts of Australia and, even though they have often been depicted as fatal to humans, they do not target them as a prey. Many of the attacks we’re not fatal, the shark only performing test-biting, out of curiosity. Humans are not a good meal, considering the shark’s slow digestion compared to the human’s muscle to fat ratio.
10. Funnel Web Spider
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May 14th 2010, 8:57 am
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Re: Is New Zealand a 3rd World Country
Yes but all together they only kill around 10 people a year in OZ compared to 1,600 killed in car accidents, so compared to other dangers people face , the wildlife danger very minor. More people are killed by lightning strikes then the wildlife in OZ. Also probably half the people killed by dangerous creatures have done something risky like picking up or trying to kill a snake, ignoring warning signs and swimming in croc areas and so on.
May 14th 2010, 9:42 am
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Re: Is New Zealand a 3rd World Country
Yes but all together they only kill around 10 people a year in OZ compared to 1,600 killed in car accidents, so compared to other dangers people face , the wildlife danger very minor. More people are killed by lightning strikes then the wildlife in OZ. Also probably half the people killed by dangerous creatures have done something risky like picking up or trying to kill a snake, ignoring warning signs and swimming in croc areas and so on.
May 14th 2010, 3:19 pm
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Re: Is New Zealand a 3rd World Country
True but it isnt only deaths to be taken into account, for instance many Oz areas are unable to be swum in due to the croc risk, whereas in NZ there are any unswimmable areas due to that risk so the lifestyle impact difference is large despite the small number of deaths the risk represents.
Hobart: 2,725 km drive from a crocodile river (London to Greece)
Melbourne: 1,990 km drive to get chomped by a croc (London to Italy)
Adelaide: 2,294 km drive and go for a dip (London to Romania)
Brisbane: 644 km only 8 hours away now. (London to Luxembourg)
Perth: 1,369 km direct north (London to Austria)
Canberra: 1,571 km through two states. (London to Croatia)
Darwin: We found them. They live here. City contains 0.5% of Australia's population.
Outside the capital cities a few other small regional towns in northern queensland and northern western australia are affected. In all these affected areas the population is probably in water of some sort (pool, croc free river section, waterfall, coral reef) 3000 times more per year than the average kiwi due to the hot weather they experience all year round
Number of times the croc free part of new zealand can fit into the croc free part of australia = 76 bazillion and 1 (rough guess)
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