Jules Europe

I suppose there must be some decent estates around but Estates= Social problems and therefore most estates should be avoided, breeding grounds for chavs, racists, muggers and other undesirables. If in doubt about an estate, try walking through it in the hours of darkness to find out if it is safe or not Or even better venture into its local pub and gawp at the types that frequent the place.......that should tell you all you need to know. Do you plan on living on one? Or just concerned about living near one?

Gezza

News help a lot in finding a good place e.i. I would avoid places such as this one or you may start missing Canada pretty soon.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/7801430.stm

Gezza

I am really sorry if I had upset anyone, placing the news pointer in the above posting. Having spent some time reading the details of this horror story I feel this was wrong.

What an unspeakable shame about the beautiful young lady who died there!!

Apologies!

Jules Europe

Which place are you referring to, as greater Manchester is a big area? And why would I miss Canada.......I don`t live there? And why does news help in finding a good place, as it normally depicts negativity and not much in the way of positivity

Grayling

I take no one ever gets murdered in Texas then?

cricket1again

This isn't a crime related issue and it isn't an indicator of why not to live in that particular area. It's sounds like it's a tragic incident brought on by drink involving an innocent victim. This is happening everywhere and is part of the current issue surrounding tackling alcohol fuelled aggression.

Jules Europe

I doubt if anybody is upset because sad incidents such as these can be read in the British papers on a very regular basis, the nation is accustomed to hearing and reading such things.

Jules Europe

Its just a fluke incident that unfortunately had a very sad outcome.

Grayling

...and in most other country's papers

Jules Europe

Most other countries don`t sensationalize the news to the degree that the Uk does. So in many other country`s newspapers you probably wouldn`t read about these types of incidents.

slidingbyee

I lived in MK in the 80s and in the Northants area as well. I thinkk the surrounding countryside is fine. MK would it seems to me have all the negatives you have stated about Vancouver - also it is not a cheap area to live. I would look in the outlying areas from M and also West of London - i.e West of Basingstoke area.

Good luck in your search and decisions.

Bevm

What everyone said. That sort of accident can happen all over. A few years ago a man on drugs/mentally ill stabbed a passerby on a busy Victoria street. A businessman on his lunch break. That isn't indicative of life in Victoria. But, in Victoria, which is considered a great place to live and is in many ways, there are no-go-after-midnight streets, and pretty regular drink and drug violence. Not to mention that most of the street dwellers (lots of those!) are mentally disturbed. For that reason, a lot of people won't go downtown, especially at night. Is it a reason not to live here? No.

On the street where we lived in Ottawa there were two murders within a couple of years. One was drug related, the other was a guy who killed his wife with a chainsaw. It was a great area to live, but these things happen. Life's like this and we can't insulate ourselves unless we want the dreaded gated communities.

Bev

gmralston

I would agree with that.

lynnxa

we used to live near Milton Keynes & there are a lot of lovely towns & villages nearby

the public transport 'in the country' though was appalling

gmralston

I get the impression Milton Keynes is a car town, it's designed around the car with wider roads, lots of underpasses and loads of parking. Public transport is pretty weak compared to other UK towns.