Re: Newbie Intro: Planning to move back - Brexit impact?
Originally Posted by BritInParis
(Post 12070246)
Millions of Eastern Europeans have moved here for work since 2004; they didn't all necessarily stay however. Many returned after the recession started. That trend has been reversing for the last few years as the UK economy has been improving in relation to the rest of the EU.
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Re: Newbie Intro: Planning to move back - Brexit impact?
Originally Posted by verystormy
(Post 12070019)
After living in 13 countries and visiting more than I can bother counting, by far the most racist country (excluding some African spots) was the USA, followed by France.
There are always odd individuals that are idiots, but that is everywhere and they are tiny and regarded as idiots. People supporting Brexit and the measures recently announced are not racists. It isn't racist to think that an employer should where possible hire a local. It isn't unreasonable to expect employers to train people, it isn't unreasonable to implement an immigration system that brings in skills we need while excluding low skilled people that have driven down wages of those that can least afford it. In the UK we have seen millions of eastern European people arrive willing to work for less than a UK family can live on. The result in some areas has been disasterous. I don't know if you know Jersey Channel Islands and they've done similar for years. A lot of lower skilled jobs require 5 years residency and when it comes to housing you also have qualified and non qualified. However, because the island is so small the problems still remain and they have overcrowding, high property prices for all. |
Re: Newbie Intro: Planning to move back - Brexit impact?
Originally Posted by Editha
(Post 12070493)
Evidence BiP?
Migration from the 'Accession 8' countries and latterly Bulgaria and Romania stands at 1,277,000 since 2004. Bearing in mind that the ONS's definition of a migrant is someone who states on arrival that they intend to stay for more than twelve months then you could conservatively double that figure based on the number of NI numbers being issued. By 2010 alone the Home Office had issued one million Worker Registration Scheme certificates to A8 workers. |
Re: Newbie Intro: Planning to move back - Brexit impact?
Originally Posted by christmasoompa
(Post 12070077)
Sadly, it won't just affect Mr Smith with his finance job. I have three friends who have seen their small business go under since Brexit. :(
I made this comment on another thread the other day, some Remainiac repeating over and over again that the reason the sky hasn't fallen in is because Brexit hasn't happend yet. Then a few pages later they said their friend lost job because of Brexit. |
Re: Newbie Intro: Planning to move back - Brexit impact?
Originally Posted by Editha
(Post 12069497)
The FTSE has 'sky rocketed' primarily because of the fall in the value of sterling. Big companies make their profits in USD but report their profits in GBP.
A UK headquartered multinational will indeed consolidate the accounts from many different curries into GBP and hence have a FX impact for accounting purposes only. But how many UK HQ multinationals do you have think have actually reported profits since June 23? Not many. Certainly not enough to drive the FTSE and in any case analysts / traders would be very well aware of the impact of accounting FX gains and would make allowances for that. |
Re: Newbie Intro: Planning to move back - Brexit impact?
Originally Posted by Bermudashorts
(Post 12070557)
But Brexit hasn't happened yet.
I made this comment on another thread the other day, some Remainiac repeating over and over again that the reason the sky hasn't fallen in is because Brexit hasn't happend yet. Then a few pages later they said their friend lost job because of Brexit. |
Re: Newbie Intro: Planning to move back - Brexit impact?
Originally Posted by Bermudashorts
(Post 12070557)
But Brexit hasn't happened yet.
I made this comment on another thread the other day, some Remainiac repeating over and over again that the reason the sky hasn't fallen in is because Brexit hasn't happend yet. Then a few pages later they said their friend lost job because of Brexit. |
Re: Newbie Intro: Planning to move back - Brexit impact?
Originally Posted by nun
(Post 12070633)
Brexit won't make the sky fall. But it will slowly erode the UK's economy and it's soul. We can see that in the way Liam Fox is ok with suggesting that the current rights of EU citizens living in the UK will be used in the negotiations.
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Re: Newbie Intro: Planning to move back - Brexit impact?
Originally Posted by BritInParis
(Post 12070773)
HMG has already stated they wish to guarantee the rights of EU citizens already resident in the UK. It's the EU refusing to make any promises before Article 50 is invoked that is the stumbling block.
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Re: Newbie Intro: Planning to move back - Brexit impact?
Originally Posted by nun
(Post 12070781)
HMG said that a few weeks ago, but speeches at the Conservative conference from hard Brexit fans like Liam Fox have put those rights back on the table as a bargaining chip. This is probably why Hollander was so tough in his speech yesterday
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Re: Newbie Intro: Planning to move back - Brexit impact?
Originally Posted by nun
(Post 12070633)
Brexit won't make the sky fall. But it will slowly erode the UK's economy and it's soul. We can see that in the way Liam Fox is ok with suggesting that the current rights of EU citizens living in the UK will be used in the negotiations.
There is no answer to the comment about the British economy or its soul. Other than stop being so melodramatic. It will be fine. :nod: |
Re: Newbie Intro: Planning to move back - Brexit impact?
Originally Posted by Bermudashorts
(Post 12070562)
You think big businesses make their profits in US$? Why on earth would you think that. Multinationals make their profits in many different currencies and will hedge their real (as opposed to accounting) FX exposures.
A UK headquartered multinational will indeed consolidate the accounts from many different curries into GBP and hence have a FX impact for accounting purposes only. But how many UK HQ multinationals do you have think have actually reported profits since June 23? Not many. Certainly not enough to drive the FTSE and in any case analysts / traders would be very well aware of the impact of accounting FX gains and would make allowances for that. |
Re: Newbie Intro: Planning to move back - Brexit impact?
Originally Posted by Bermudashorts
(Post 12071092)
Well of course there has to be a negotiation over what happens to EU citizens in UK and British citizens living in Europe. The UK can hardly make a promise that EU citizens can stay without securing same promise for British citizens overseas. It is one of many things that requires discussion. But the upshot will be that everyone currently in situ will be free to stay where they are because how on earth could anything else be even physically possible.
There is no answer to the comment about the British economy or its soul. Other than stop being so melodramatic. It will be fine. :nod: I understand that many people feel happy...or at least sanguine....at the retreat from Europe and the restrictions on the movement of labour across the UK border that will result. I don't feel that way and believe that it's the continuation of a historical decline that the UK might have avoided by staying in the EU. The rise of nationalism also worries me greatly and I see Brexit as part of that as for all the high minded reasons one can state for Brexit, it passed largely on xenophobia that was encouraged by Grove and Farage. Maybe I am being melodramatic, but I simply don't want to live in England anymore because I'm so disappointed with it. |
Re: Newbie Intro: Planning to move back - Brexit impact?
It looks like our discussion about citizen's rights and Brexit isn't as interesting as the discussion (or arguments) happening inside HMG. Liam Fox put the situation of EU citizens living in the UK up for negotiation and The Home Office looks like it just pulled the rug from under him by saying that all EU citizens currently in the UK will be residents or given amnesty. I wonder how much of it was at the PM's prompting or is it some Hard vs Soft Brexit antagonism. So we are back to "don't worry"......your move Liam?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...o-remain-in-uk Every EU migrant can stay in UK after Brexit: all 3.6 million to have residency rules or get amnesty |
Re: Newbie Intro: Planning to move back - Brexit impact?
Originally Posted by Giantaxe
(Post 12071161)
Stocks move largely on future expectations. So the fact that not many companies have reported since June 23rd is moot at this point. Additionally, the FTSE 100 certainly hasn't soared in dollar (or, to a lesser, extent Euro) terms. According to the latest Economist, the FTSE 100 is 3.7% lower in dollar terms than it was at the start of the year. Essentially the collapse of the pound has made UK shares a relative bargain for many.
The FTSE isn't in dollars so that is also moot. Obviously it will have dropped if you want to make an arbitrary conversion into dollars. The fall in the pound may have made shares cheaper for overseas investors, but the main investors in UK listed companies will be UK entities and shares did not become cheaper for them on June 24th. For the overseas investors, well the shares they have bought since June are worth less to them every day at the moment because they will ultimately have to cash them in in pounds and then use pounds to buy back their own currency. So if overseas investors are buying UK stock in droves then the overseas investors must also expect sterling to recover. (As do I). |
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