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Old Jul 17th 2013, 3:24 am
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Unless of course you have become very wealthy because you are a member of the Labour party and have already had all the money the last government could beg, borrow or steal, leaving ordinary people without a pot to p*ss in.
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Originally Posted by johnthegoodman
Well, what can we do? ...We all make mistakes at some stages, and we also pay for them!
...or not.
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Sorry to disappoint you, but the chaos in the NHS was created by Maggie, I worked for the NHS before Maggie's changes and after. The number of management layers that were added, and the huge number of middle manager posts created were the thing that created the huge deficits. Before Maggie put her oar in, to get a new piece of expensive equipment meant going hrough 2 committees, after that number increased to around 10, and added several layers of tendering, which meant that you had to decide what you wanted around three years before it was needed as that was the time these layers added.
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Originally Posted by bigglesworth
Unless of course you have become very wealthy because you are a member of the Labour party
What was that you said on page one about abandoning political point scoring?
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Indeed.
But you could not.
Didn't get anyone very far did it?
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But you could not.
With the important difference that when I scored my political point I wasn't complaining about political point scoring.
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Old Jul 17th 2013, 7:33 am
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Originally Posted by Lothianlad
Last Monday 15/07/13 was the day when the present Government's much vaunted Benefits Cap was rolled into play right across England, as of necessity, a move which the latest opinion polls clearly show is supported by 70% of the public generally.

The Benefits Cap figure has been set at ÂŁ26,000 per annum maximum. Gone now are the days of the Labour Party's free for all with hard working taxpayers' money as if there would never be a tomorrow to be reckoned with and sorted out.

Well, it is now being sorted out, and that public money is now a whole lot more difficult to come by as if it is a right rather than a privilege, and for too long in this country too many people have been under the impression that State munificence Labour party style is some kind of God given right, and that includes automatic rights to council housing for career choice single mothers with multiple unidentifiable sperm donor fathers as well as immigrants from the Third World under the impression tyat the UK is a Benefits Paradise, which in effect it was during the Labour years 1997 to 2010 thanks to the Blair/Brown fiasco which saw the UK all but sink under the weight of one ginormous fiscal debt of colossal proportions.

Now we are also having to deal with the God awful mess Labour made of the NHS......squillions of ÂŁs down the drain with nothing to show for it except extreme bureaucracy and over paid nameless Chiefs in charge of a lonny bin run by the hard pressed Indians.

Isn't it significant that in those trial areas of the UK in which this Benefits Cap and curb on out of work benefits, such as JSA, has now been in operation for quite some time, there has been a sudden rise in the number of benefits claimants who have, quite miraculously, been able to find jobs in which they can earn their own living and no longer leeching off my not inconsiderable taxes and NICs which I am forced to pay each month, not to mention the enforced tax I have to pay to the left wing Socialist spendthrift clowns running the mouthpiece of the Labour Party - the now notorious bloody BBC.

Depending on the rate of success of this new Benefits Cap right across England now, plus all the new regulations concerning out of work benefits, such as JSA, the (mainly Conservative) Coalition Government are planning on a further reduction of the ÂŁ26,000 BC to ÂŁ20,000 pa, no Housing Benefits at all to all unemployed people under 25, and no extra benefits whatsoever to be paid to single mothers with more than two children.

So tough luck for the likes of that notorious woman with umpteen kids fathered by umpteen unknowns demanding an ever larger fully equipped taxpayers funded mansion in lovely Tewkesbury, of all places. It's an 'ard life, ain't it, luv!

Time for her to quote the immortal words of the grotesque Jeremy Kyle by telling all her prospective fathers to be to put something at the end if it.


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I have been on the boards of two separate NHS trusts over the last ten years, and to blame the current and recent chaos in the NHS on a politician who left office a quarter of a century ago is as misguided as blaming th decision by Attlee to abandon the cross party consensus on the NHS.
Lothianlads point on public spending is valid.
It took 300 years for public spending to grow to 300 billion p.a. It took Gordon Brown just ten years to double it, much of it simply thrown at he NHS with no thought as to the outcome. The NHS had a 7.5 increase in funding every year, with the economy growing at just 2.5 (in fact probably less if you remove the financial engineering he used to increase the tax base).
I lived in both Tunbridge Wells and Stafford during the scandals, and well remember the sheer terror of neighbours and friends who received appointments.
Certainly benefits will continue to be capped. So will NHS spending. There is simply notnenough money left.
Hopefully, after the scandals in Tunbridge Wells, Stafford, Blackpool, Bristol, the list goes on, someone, somewhere will abandon the political point scoring, and reform an institution that very plainly is no longer fit for purpose.
Both of these posts are spot on.

Who can forget Blair giving the GPs a massive rise to make themselves more available to the workers (evening and weekend surgeries) only to find out he forgot to write those terms in the contracts. The GPs took their massive rise, though.

Or the way Blair was too scared to go on that tv debate with the other two main party leaders and instead went on the programme on his own, where he got "got" by that woman. She had a go at him over his failure with the NHS and for making us phone up on the day to try to get a GP appointment, instead of being able to book in advance, as we had always done. Blair gave the GPs more money if they can fit patients in on the same day! What a tw@t.

Or Brown selling all our gold reserves during the good times at a very low price instead of keeping the gold for when we needed it; like now! Brown only has a history degree and wasn't capable of that job that Blair gave him.

Even a top american financier stated that the UKs Labour party had inherited a model economy and in a few short years, had managed to turn it into a basket case.

Blair was the worst PM this country has ever had and our children and grandchildren will the ones paying for all his many mistakes. The amazing thing is, he has hurt his own voters the most! It's scary how some types of operations that use to be free on the NHS on the 90s, are now private only because the money isn't there for the patients. Only the rich can now have those operations as Blair and Brown ruined the NHS for their own voters.

As for all our EU rebate that he gave back to the EU as he wanted to be President Blair........ I'll never trust Labour again.

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Originally Posted by BristolUK
With the important difference that when I scored my political point I wasn't complaining about political point scoring.
Nor can you stop now, can you?

In fact, if you read the posts, my original one was about political point scoring about the NHS.

My second one was simply a response to your rather crass comment which was unrelated to benefits, the NHS, or anything but simply a derogatory slur.

Now if you want to debate benefits, job seekers, or the NHS, feel free to start.
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Hey folks, can we try and not forget the OP

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Originally Posted by bigglesworth
I have been on the boards of two separate NHS trusts over the last ten years, and to blame the current and recent chaos in the NHS on a politician who left office a quarter of a century ago is as misguided as blaming th decision by Attlee to abandon the cross party consensus on the NHS.
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You wouldn't have been until Maggie set up the system that started trusts, before that all the boards there were were a hospital board, and a regional board, which covered a large number of hospitals, so there wouldn't have been the trusts, trust boards etc to waste money on.
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Originally Posted by johnthegoodman
Hi all, I'm afraid I must be brief... I'm planning to come back to Uk from Spain, where I have lived for 7 years. Due to my financial situation (which is dire) I would like to claim JSA on line a day before I get to Uk. Do you think they could figure out from their website that I have applyed from abroad? And if so, what risks do I take? Thanks to all of you!!!
For the sake of one or two days, I would wait until you get back and apply in person. Keep it simple, why complicate things?
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Originally Posted by dunroving
For the sake of one or two days, I would wait until you get back and apply in person. Keep it simple, why complicate things?
Eligibilty on their site says

To get Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA) you must:

be 18 or over but below State Pension age - there are some exceptions if you’re 16 or 17
not be in full-time education
be in England, Scotland or Wales
be able and available for work
be actively seeking work
work on average less than 16 hours a week
go to a JSA interview

So I assume being out of the UK would not work, wait till you are back in the UK
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As others have said, for Job seekers claims, you have to be in the UK to be available for work. One day won't make any difference and you don't want to invalidate any claim you put in and have to start again.

As you have lived in Spain for 7 years and if you have been exercising your EU rights, you can now claim citizenship from Spain and access their welfare system. I know their welfare system is poor (as we have so many Spanish over here claiming) but you might then be able to export the Spanish welfare payments to the UK for so many months, while you are job seeking in the UK. That way, you will arrive with some money coming in.

Have you got anyone who can give you a bed/sofa to sleep on when you return to the UK? Benefits aren't instant and crisis loans have been scrapped in England. Churches will give out food parcels/meals. At the foodbank where friends help at, they require a referral from somewhere like the council - no more just getting in the queue. Even then, they limit how many times someone will be given food per month, as food is limited. I don't know if this is the same with all food banks thoughout the country.

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As others have said, for Job seekers claims, you have to be in the UK to be available for work. One day won't make any difference and you don't want to invalidate any claim you put in and have to start again.

As you have lived in Spain for 7 years and if you have been exercising your EU rights, you can now claim citizenship from Spain and access their welfare system. I know their welfare system is poor (as we have so many Spanish over here claiming) but you might then be able to export the Spanish welfare payments to the UK for so many months, while you are job seeking in the UK. That way, you will arrive with some money coming in.
No, you can't, ypu have to take a citizenship test, in Spanish, to become a Spanish citizen, and it ain't easy. Welfare in Spain is very poor, and really there are no rights to carry over. Enemployment benefit is paid only for a few months after you lose your job, assuming you were in contracted employment on the first instance, and a huge number of people in Spain are employed 'on the black' with no contract, this is why. if you were to look at threads on the Spain forum about people wanting to move out there, they are advised that if they haven't enough money to support themselves for a long time, then not to bother as, dire as it may seem to them living in the UK, and the pull of 'endless sunshine and hot weather (which exists only in the summer, and those living there will tell you that the heat can be unbearable) and the winters can get cold, there is also no welfare system to fall back on, even for the Spanish.
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