Got Fired!
#31
Re: Got Fired!
Take the lesson to your next place of employment. Not in bitterness but as a learning experience. I fully understand how you feel. I was reminded of it several months ago when I started a number job. My new boss, who hired me etc..and is all smiles, friendly etc, always bordering on the right side of political correctness, enquiring about family, children, interests etc. In a casual conversation let slip the truth, saying they did not care when I was discussing my motivations for doing good work and commitment. They just wanted the work done. It was an innocuous comment but one that triggered the light bulb going off in my head, a true epiphany moment!
These people are not really my friends, they are work colleagues which is a whole world of difference. I would not necessarily choose them as friends we are thrown together through circumstance. Therefore, most attempts at friendliness are just false.
It gives me great satisfaction knowing that I am planning my inevitable departure as we sit and develop 3/5 year plans. Its a selfish approach but learned behaviour and I and you are not going to change the attitude. Just take the high road and do what is right for you and yours where employers are concerned anyway.
#32
Re: Got Fired!
Probably the best thing you can do is to channel your chagrin. Focus on getting good references from them re your work and return to the temp agency for more work. After all, if you are a valuable asset, and unfortunately that's all any of us are these days, then they should be more than happy to give you work.
Take the lesson to your next place of employment. Not in bitterness but as a learning experience. I fully understand how you feel. I was reminded of it several months ago when I started a number job. My new boss, who hired me etc..and is all smiles, friendly etc, always bordering on the right side of political correctness, enquiring about family, children, interests etc. In a casual conversation let slip the truth, saying they did not care when I was discussing my motivations for doing good work and commitment. They just wanted the work done. It was an innocuous comment but one that triggered the light bulb going off in my head, a true epiphany moment!
These people are not really my friends, they are work colleagues which is a whole world of difference. I would not necessarily choose them as friends we are thrown together through circumstance. Therefore, most attempts at friendliness are just false.
It gives me great satisfaction knowing that I am planning my inevitable departure as we sit and develop 3/5 year plans. Its a selfish approach but learned behaviour and I and you are not going to change the attitude. Just take the high road and do what is right for you and yours where employers are concerned anyway.
Take the lesson to your next place of employment. Not in bitterness but as a learning experience. I fully understand how you feel. I was reminded of it several months ago when I started a number job. My new boss, who hired me etc..and is all smiles, friendly etc, always bordering on the right side of political correctness, enquiring about family, children, interests etc. In a casual conversation let slip the truth, saying they did not care when I was discussing my motivations for doing good work and commitment. They just wanted the work done. It was an innocuous comment but one that triggered the light bulb going off in my head, a true epiphany moment!
These people are not really my friends, they are work colleagues which is a whole world of difference. I would not necessarily choose them as friends we are thrown together through circumstance. Therefore, most attempts at friendliness are just false.
It gives me great satisfaction knowing that I am planning my inevitable departure as we sit and develop 3/5 year plans. Its a selfish approach but learned behaviour and I and you are not going to change the attitude. Just take the high road and do what is right for you and yours where employers are concerned anyway.
I took a gamble with this company, thinking if I gave them 5 weeks notice of my intentions then maybe they would consider me for a position when I returned rather than no notice which would not have looked good for me.
My gamble didnt pay off, I except that, the supervisor was mad about them, he knew it was harsh, they cut off there nose to spite there face, a good business would never burn bridges with reliable staff, apart from that one issue which for anybody would have been likewise, I never put a foot wrong.
They sent me my p45 and a letter stating that I resigned, dont know what to make of that!
#33
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Re: Got Fired!
i know it sounds harsh but just move on and stop whinging about it...that's life im afraid.
#34
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Re: Got Fired!
Hey - back luck PanHandle. Hope things work out for you
From you earlier post it sounds like you never actually wrote or handed in that letter of resignation they asked you for?
I'd suggest that filing your P45 as resigned when you didn't may be not acceptable, then again it may be better for you to have not been "fired".?
From you earlier post it sounds like you never actually wrote or handed in that letter of resignation they asked you for?
I'd suggest that filing your P45 as resigned when you didn't may be not acceptable, then again it may be better for you to have not been "fired".?
#35
Re: Got Fired!
Hey - back luck PanHandle. Hope things work out for you
From you earlier post it sounds like you never actually wrote or handed in that letter of resignation they asked you for?
I'd suggest that filing your P45 as resigned when you didn't may be not acceptable, then again it may be better for you to have not been "fired".?
From you earlier post it sounds like you never actually wrote or handed in that letter of resignation they asked you for?
I'd suggest that filing your P45 as resigned when you didn't may be not acceptable, then again it may be better for you to have not been "fired".?
Then again you might be best served moving forward with life.
#37
Re: Got Fired!
They paid me 1 days notice, so I guess no sense in wasting time chasing my rights etc, better to have a letter of resignation than the flick!
I wont be using my p45 again until I return mid feb, I have a valid reason not to be searching for employment and Im not on any benefits, and only 3 weeks to go before im off.
When I return I shall probably start with the agency again
#38
Re: Got Fired!
Yes completely agree, yet in my past employment I was self employed so there was no need to play these games, Im not use to out and out deceit, if asked a casual question regarding personal matters I would normally answer with a question and try to steer the subject away from a direct answer, knowing what a frank reply could do to the thoughts of others.
I took a gamble with this company, thinking if I gave them 5 weeks notice of my intentions then maybe they would consider me for a position when I returned rather than no notice which would not have looked good for me.
My gamble didnt pay off, I except that, the supervisor was mad about them, he knew it was harsh, they cut off there nose to spite there face, a good business would never burn bridges with reliable staff, apart from that one issue which for anybody would have been likewise, I never put a foot wrong.
They sent me my p45 and a letter stating that I resigned, dont know what to make of that!
I took a gamble with this company, thinking if I gave them 5 weeks notice of my intentions then maybe they would consider me for a position when I returned rather than no notice which would not have looked good for me.
My gamble didnt pay off, I except that, the supervisor was mad about them, he knew it was harsh, they cut off there nose to spite there face, a good business would never burn bridges with reliable staff, apart from that one issue which for anybody would have been likewise, I never put a foot wrong.
They sent me my p45 and a letter stating that I resigned, dont know what to make of that!
#39
Re: Got Fired!
Dunroving, I never did write a letter, they had asked me too but I asked for time to talk to my wife, check #8, they fired me about one hour after I spoke about my dilemma, regardless of my financial situation etc.
#40
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Re: Got Fired!
I'd never start a full-time job without a contract. Period. That's business.
As for the investment, I think someone already said if you hire a temp agency person on a permanent contract, there's a price to pay ... so there's at least one investment.
The false pretenses I was referring to were what you described - taking on a permanent position when you knew you would be taking extended leave, without mentioning it. I can see your reasons, but can also see why, when the penny dropped, they switched from an agreeable "see your 5 weeks out" to "Out the door" (though it sounds like they could have dealt with it more tacfully). That's why it's called "business" rather than "pleasure" - and why getting a work contract is so important.
It may still be worth contacting CAB, to see if you have any rights of redress. Even without a work contract I'd have thought in the UK that employment law covers full-time jobs, and that the situation you're describing may mean you are entitled to some salary compensation. Worth looking into, at least.
As for the investment, I think someone already said if you hire a temp agency person on a permanent contract, there's a price to pay ... so there's at least one investment.
The false pretenses I was referring to were what you described - taking on a permanent position when you knew you would be taking extended leave, without mentioning it. I can see your reasons, but can also see why, when the penny dropped, they switched from an agreeable "see your 5 weeks out" to "Out the door" (though it sounds like they could have dealt with it more tacfully). That's why it's called "business" rather than "pleasure" - and why getting a work contract is so important.
It may still be worth contacting CAB, to see if you have any rights of redress. Even without a work contract I'd have thought in the UK that employment law covers full-time jobs, and that the situation you're describing may mean you are entitled to some salary compensation. Worth looking into, at least.
The UK is unfortunately very backwards in terms of employment law in comparison to say South Africa. In SA, they cannot retrench without reason and a full process must be undertaken-eg coaching, verbal warning, written warning etc to fire someone.
#41
Re: Got Fired!
But then again, as a few people have said, it might be better to just move on and focus on the positives you have ahead of you.
#42
Re: Got Fired!
In the UK, unfortunately you have very few employment rights within the first 12 months of employment. A company is entitled to "retrench" without cause. The only rights you have is if they discriminate on the grounds of race etc. But the bottom line is they can fire you with or without a permanent contract simply because they do not like you and all they must do is pay the notice period contained within the contract.
The UK is unfortunately very backwards in terms of employment law in comparison to say South Africa. In SA, they cannot retrench without reason and a full process must be undertaken-eg coaching, verbal warning, written warning etc to fire someone.
The UK is unfortunately very backwards in terms of employment law in comparison to say South Africa. In SA, they cannot retrench without reason and a full process must be undertaken-eg coaching, verbal warning, written warning etc to fire someone.
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Dunroving, pursuing them I sure would be pointless, I will leave that to the next person, Im sure there will be more.
Yes I have more important things to deal with, Im looking forward to getting back with the wife, though at the back of my mind I still wonder if bringing her to the UK is the right move.
I like it here but I can see it can get real tough, my wife may wonder why the hell I brought her here
#43
Re: Got Fired!
"The UK is unfortunately very backwards in terms of employment law in comparison to say South Africa. In SA, they cannot retrench without reason and a full process must be undertaken-eg coaching, verbal warning, written warning etc to fire someone."
Must disagree with this. I can't comment on SA employment law but I am British and currently working in the UK. Companies cannot just fire someone without repercussions as you seem to claim in your post. The procedure has to be followed in exact detail otherwise you sit and wonder if you're going to get a lawsuit landing on the desk! I work in a clinic and our receptionist was absolutely useless - losing patient files, not putting in appointments correctly, using bad language behind reception and the list goes on. In order to sack her we really had to do everything to the letter - written warnings, disciplinary action, verbal warnings until finally we could get rid of her. We definitely could not just call her into the office one day and ask her to leave (if only!)
In regards to what this thread was originally about I must say although the situation isn't nice to be in, I can see why the company have acted in this way. As someone who has a say over who is employed in the business I work for it is frustrating when new employees come along and expect the world. I employed someone in the past only for them to request a sabbatical after only 4 months! Really!? Also as an employer I can see that an employee who has a wife and new baby in another country may equate to more time off in the future and the risk of going back to visit and never returning. This then means that you have to bring in a temp, which is highly expensive and arrange someone else to be hired, which is time consuming and also an added expense. Personally I wouldn't mind if it was a long term member of staff, but I certainly would not provide this for someone who has not been at the company for very long.
Please excuse me if I've missed this on the thread but why would you be working in a different country to where your wife and new baby are living?
Must disagree with this. I can't comment on SA employment law but I am British and currently working in the UK. Companies cannot just fire someone without repercussions as you seem to claim in your post. The procedure has to be followed in exact detail otherwise you sit and wonder if you're going to get a lawsuit landing on the desk! I work in a clinic and our receptionist was absolutely useless - losing patient files, not putting in appointments correctly, using bad language behind reception and the list goes on. In order to sack her we really had to do everything to the letter - written warnings, disciplinary action, verbal warnings until finally we could get rid of her. We definitely could not just call her into the office one day and ask her to leave (if only!)
In regards to what this thread was originally about I must say although the situation isn't nice to be in, I can see why the company have acted in this way. As someone who has a say over who is employed in the business I work for it is frustrating when new employees come along and expect the world. I employed someone in the past only for them to request a sabbatical after only 4 months! Really!? Also as an employer I can see that an employee who has a wife and new baby in another country may equate to more time off in the future and the risk of going back to visit and never returning. This then means that you have to bring in a temp, which is highly expensive and arrange someone else to be hired, which is time consuming and also an added expense. Personally I wouldn't mind if it was a long term member of staff, but I certainly would not provide this for someone who has not been at the company for very long.
Please excuse me if I've missed this on the thread but why would you be working in a different country to where your wife and new baby are living?
#44
Re: Got Fired!
Hi pom_chch, well I came back to the Uk to try and reestablish myself and become domicile so bringing my wife to the UK would be less painful
#45
Re: Got Fired!
Also I can add that if an employee has only been at a company for a short space of time they can be "removed" pretty quickly in the UK. As for me and my delightful receptionist she had been with us for a while before she started going down hill making it difficult for us to do anything about it despite her being totally incompetent and making the company looks bad etc etc.
Agree with the squatting law in the UK. Why it took so long for us to work in the home owners favour I will never know! Employment law, however, I would say we are better from what I've seen.