Well, yes, but look. I know without ever having done any research that Australia, while being an amazing country is the world mecca for flies, interesting toxic wildlife, and rather warm summers. It's also reknowned for it's dedication to blokeish attitudes, machismo and so on.

Sensitivity isn't what the average Aussie male is famous for.

It just seems to me that those 4 things are what the majority of posters here seem to complain about. The rest, problems with employment, finding housing, prejudice and so on are common to almost every place on earth that I can think of.

So, why do those 4 items seem to keep surprising people?

I suppose they just can't believe how bad they will be in reality?

Your conclusions on why people leave are short and shallow, yes its very easy to post about flies and heat, and both become unbearable, but there are deeper reasons that you either don't know or haven't understood and each persons case is unique. By your logic, everybody would just read the stereotyped problems of a nation and never go anywhere.

Speaking generally about issues though, it can be how bad they are in reality but I think it's more a case of until you go and live there you will not know how it is going to effect you or what your personal reaction to them turns out to be. What you think you can deal with (even after much intelligently considered research) and what actually turns out to be the case are often two very different things. Also, as had already been pointed out, that changes over time in a way nobody can anticipate.

The realities of certain things are just not well documented or publicized .. and sometimes you just don't know what to look for. I think that's why people, perfectly justifiably jumped on your rose tinted return comment. You cannot become an expert without going somewhere, once there your experiences mold your opinion on the place and you learn what the reality is. It's all cumulative as well, and that is a very, very difficult end result to judge before you up sticks.

For many people that reality turns out to be worse than what they came from, or they just don't like it, so they plan to go home. Being condescending about that course of events will not get you answers. Coming in here to learn is one thing but coming in here to prove to yourself you've covered all the bases and everyone elses stupidity is what caused their returns is another ..... your tone unfortunately comes across as the latter.

Frickensprinkles came from a name game btw, I linked it when I was first asked years ago.

No offense, but you aren't reading what I posted. I didn't say that was why people returned, solely that I was puzzled as to why people were surprised to find Aus to be hot, fly infested and richly inlaid with more than usually macho males.

I think I answered myself tho, it just must be so much hotter and fly infested than I thought (and I always figured it was pretty bad.)

WRTo your comment "By your logic, everybody would just read the stereotyped problems of a nation and never go anywhere. "

Let's look at this with a tad of intelligence, shall we?

Stereotypes are REAL. They don't mean that everyone of that gender, race, religion etc will correspond to it, but that enough will do so to make it a recogniseable thing.

The stereotype of Australia being hot, fly ridden and full of blokes saying 'g'day' doesn't mean that that is 100% what it is like, but it does indicate that heat, flies and repetitive catch phrases might just be a problem, and would merit further investigation before going there.

By my logic, everyone should read the stereotype of a country before going there. That way it won't all come as a terrible surprise.

But what you have to do is take this


And then apply this to the equation


That is what I see you are fundamentally missing the point of. I doubt anyone was surprised it was hot and there were flies .....

Oh dear.

let's look at your post.

"The realities of certain things are just not well documented or publicized "

Really? So, I'm the only person that knows the place is hot?

".. and sometimes you just don't know what to look for."

Flies, heat and machismo for starters.

"I think that's why people, perfectly justifiably jumped on your rose tinted return comment. "

So jumping on a post is fine? Personally I prefer civilised discourse, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

I still stay, if there is anything worse than emigrating thru rose tinted specs, it's coming back without taking them off. WTF is incorrect with that? Or, more likely, is it a bit too close to the mark???


"You cannot become an expert without going somewhere,"

I never said different. What I said was it's a good idea to research where you plan to go.

"once there your experiences mold your opinion on the place and you learn what the reality is. It's all cumulative as well, and that is a very, very difficult end result to judge before you up sticks."

So you agree that the upping of sticks needs to be carefully assessed? Hmmm, so you'd probably advise taking off the rose tinted specs, no??


Oooo, now where was it I read someone else saying that..........

I think that returning home is one of the hardest things to do. Especially if you are doing it for one particular reason, as if that reason doesn't work, it can have you second guessing yourself all the time.

For me I have moved abroad twice and returned once. The time I returned I did it as I got offered a job in the UK, that was something that I really wanted to do, a year later the company folded. I loved being back in the UK, being close to family and 'feeling at home'. However, at that time in my life my career was a really important part of my life so after a couple of years I moved abroad again.

Now that I'm married and thinking about the future and my parents getting older, I want to be closer to my family again and thinking about moving back to the UK.

I know I will face the inevitable, why did you move back from family friends and aquaintences. Funny thing is that my family completely understand why I want to move back. My fear is a repeat of what happened last time where the company that I worked for folded.

I wish I could offer some answers but don't know them myself. For example, I'm thinking about coming back but not sure if it's the right thing to do. Staying here to get citizenship, about a 6 year time frame, is a long long way away.

Good luck.

Personally I think the worst position is to have young kids and old parents.

Since our parents are all dead and mercifully our kids are flying the nest, we at least don't have that to worry about.

I know the feeling, no longer living in the UK and moved away 27 years ago.
I work also with ex-pats and we call homesick... sick of going home.
Every time I need to return I find the costs have just gone through the roof yet again.
Down the pub, same ol guys sat on the same ol barstools moaning about the same thing as a year ago, and the year before that.
Ladies and gents, we`re here for a good time, not for a long time!

And O do I hate the "it`s ok for you, you dont have to live here"
I say show the pioneers just a little respect, even if it did fail the first time around, at least they gave it their best.
Without people like you Wobbler the stragglers would have nobody to follow.

A.T.B. and I hope you get what you want.

Bil,

I think it all depends on the type of relationships you have. With me my mother and father always knew that I was within driving distance when I was in the UK, okay I was two hours away, but they knew that they could always come round or I could come round.

Since I moved to the US, I'm in my mid 30's, it's been just as hard on my father as it has on my mother.

I think that I'm at a different stage in life in that I haven't been blessed with kids yet and my parents are still around.

Good luck.

Thanks. My father died when I was young, and my mother, well, let's just say that we had a very bad relationship.

On the one hand I envy you your good relationship with your parents, on the other I enjoy my freedom.

Yes I know I have a lot to be thankful for when it comes to the relationship I have with my parents. I also see how wonderful they are with my niece and nephews and want that for my children too.

Oh dear nothing .....

What's your obsession with the god dam weather? Had you been on here longer than five minutes you would have read and realised that whilst people do complain about the extremity of the weather in Aus it by far the deciding factor or underlying reason for their decisions to return to the UK or go elsewhere for that matter.

What I was pointing out is that you are soundbiting people, and with the exception of someone being sick of a nerve grating dawn chorus I cant remember the last time I saw anyone mention any wildlife, toxic or otherwise. Look and read beyond the frustration outlets before you make generalistic insulting statements and you will see a lot more.

You originally used the word jump, I would have used retorted, and quite rightly so at your inference that people are generally idiots who don't research their moves. Some people on here have quite openly admitted they went somewhere with unrealistic expections or having bought into the Daily Mail diatribe. Reality often doesn't take long to hit.

However, if you think that reading the internet, watching TV, reading books and even visiting will give you anything more than an insight into what any individuals life in a new country might be like then I think you will find yourself in a tiny minority.

There is nothing incorrect about the statement that emigrating, or returning, with rose tinted specs on is inadvisable, it's your inference that, "the majority of posters here" are idiots that do it that is wrong and antagonistic, which is what I pointed out to you in the first place. You're not being "jumped" on because you're, "near the mark", you're being jumped on because it sounded extrememely self righteous and conceited. I know all too well myself that it's easy to get the wrong end of the stick with what people are saying, I was genuinely replying but the condescending and seemingly quite obtuse quotations you came back with lead me to believe I was perhaps right in the first place.

I didn't leave with any specs on and I go back often enough that I still dont have them on so your comments don't ruffle my feathers at all. Like I said in my first post to you, strikes me as odd when people come in here with your attitude, odd and rude tbh. Oh well, enjoy Spain.

Yep, I deffo am in a minority. I'll leave you to work that one out.

I will indeed do my best to enjoy my time in Spain. To me the weather there is about as close to perfect as I can get in Europe, the people charming and the lifestyle far better than I would have in this country.

I have done a great deal of research, am studying the language and doing my best to put down good strong roots there, integrate and fit in.

Hi,

I am pretty new to this immigration stuff but I would do anything to get a better quality of life elsewhere for my family...how long does it take to obtain a qualification to get you back there...in something the country are looking for and that you do not mind doing? Hairdressing, for example.. would it not just take 2 yrs to qualify? Although I would probably look at nursing instead as would be more in demand surely?
You have obtained a good qualification before, surely you could again?

Keep chin up.

M

Depressed with the endless grey skies. That's truly what I am. Has it never ocurred to you that there are a lot of people who feel exactly as I do? You are allowed to complain about the endless heat of Aus, wherever? Then that makes you a troll? I am then allowed to complain about the English climate.

Silly person.

Are you another forum god then who is allowed to determine who shall post what and where?

Ooooo. I really must rush off and build a church in your honour.

Of course, you could try to engage me in intellectual debate about the quality of the English weather, whether or not I am justified in my comments, and so on.

I would say that posting on here to say moving back to the UK might not be the bed of roses that you thought, and to beware of rose tinted viewing would be a valid topic of debate.

Or did I just get too close to the truth?

Methinks you do protest too much.

I think I'll send you a karma for reading all my posts and going to the trouble of reposting them so everyone can read them again.

Thank you so much.

Karma on its way!