Budowsky

So, you are quite happy that a thirty year old who has only been out the country for three years, has contributed 11 years of tax to the system, has been a full and functioning member of society for thirty years in Britain, has served in the Army (As I have) has to pay international fee's ,yet someone from Germany can come in tommorrow and pay domestic rates?

Or, what about someone who has been in Jail for the last three years?

mika24me

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the system was changed to protect people who are British Citizens by decent, who had never set foot in the EU, from getting a free education.

It should not be stopping Brits who have been overseas for a spell from obtaining their education rights.

jockomalay

Hi All,

Just got back from UK today visting my son who is now at uni in Scotland. We were totally successful in him obtaining funding from SAAS for funding.
We based our case on the definitions of "Ordinarily Resident" as given in the Scottish Education Act, there are two or three clauses which even although my family has been out of the UK for nearly five years were applicable. I would say to anyone .."Go for it"!, we were knocked back initially but plead our case again and the result was that my son's application was accepted..persevere !! Sorry to say though these clauses are only found in the Scottish Education Act.

Cheers

Jockomalay

mika24me

Hi Jockomalay

please could you PM me with the clauses which exept your son from the three year ruling. I have been told alreadyu that I will be exempt, but just in case they change their minds when I apply I would love to be armed with all the information I need

thanks

Mel

Ozzidoc

There is no shortage of Drs in the UK according to the government. There are many, many British doctors who want to work here but cant get a job. There are not the NHS jobs for them here.

Ozzidoc

Definitely should be free for jail residents.

jockomalay

Further to the private mail I sent you, can see the whole section on Eligibility at

Statutory Instrument 1999 No. 1131 (S. 91)
The Students' Allowances (Scotland) Regulations 1999
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1999/19991131.htm

Go down to SCHEDULE 2, Regulation 3(2), ORDINARY RESIDENCE

Cheers

Jockomalay

dingbat

Question: Assume ties to Scotland that you can prove, either through marriage or family. One of the family members (say Dad) is Scottish raised and by birth. Mum is half Scottish, but was raised in England. If you return to Scotland to live and establish residency, surely there is nothing to stop you moving to England, NI or Wales after the year is up? These jurisdictions cannot discriminate against mobile Scots....so the logical conclusion is that if Scotland grants you home student status and you apply elsewhere, you can only do so as a home student applicant. England, NI and Wales have no authority to take your status away. Am I right?

Bob

where you go to university, the county where you live are your sponsors, being the local LEA....for most, they have to be resident of the EU to get sponsorship...for a Scot, they don't have that requirement, but whether they will pay if you don't study in Scotland, I don't know..

mika24me

I think the rules are that Scottish institutions require you to be born in Scotland and live there most of your life, and live specifically in Scotland for one year before starting to study. I don't think parents being born in Scotland counts, unless they still live there and you are under 25.

English institutions require you to be resident in the UK (anywhere) for three years before being considered resident.

Scottish institutions (I think) require larger fees to be paid by English residents, or at least they are considering it.

Basically, one country considering you resident does not guarantee the other one will.

Bob

resident anywhere in the EU, not just the UK.

mika24me

whoops got that bit wrong!

helinuk

I'm replying to this from experiences of expat friends and our own while working/living in Singapore. Some of the teenagers did their GCSE AND A levels in Singapore then returned to UK and were given resident status for uni (whether the father was on temp work permit in Singapore or not- it depended on the university and LEA) we decided to return to uk in 2002 so our son could take A levels here + gap yr (the 3 yrs required) and is now in 2nd yr of uni paying uk fees only.

Now our daughter is taking A levels next June and wants to take a gap yr. If we move to NZ with PR visa next July would she be able to live in uk go to uni and pay uk fees?(She'd be 19, could she be regarded as resident as she and we have lived here for last 4 yrs) Or would we be better off persuading her to find a uni course in NZ.
Appologise for highjacking thread!

Englishmum

Ooops Helen, sorry for hi-jacking your thread - as you know we met each other in Singapore with our children attending Tanglin Trust School. So you're not now going to the Melbourne area and going to NZ instead? How come?

For what it's worth I think that one's offspring are deemed to be 'independent' for academic purposes from the age of 21?

Our daughter chose not to come to the US with us just after taking her IGCSE's and went to boarding school in Oxford for her 'A' levels. She then took a Gap Year so her three years of residence counted (even though she spent half of the year in India and Nepal). In your case I think your daughter would be fine for UK fees purposes....she could have your daughter put a grandparent's or uncle/aunt's address on her application form to state that she is living with them.

My son is 18 this weekend (a non-event in the US apparently) but sadly seems to show no interest in going to the UK for college....he's spent two-thirds of his life in SE Asia and the US so feels no connection to Blighty, which makes me very sad....and of course tuition fees are far, far higher in the US than anywhere else in the world from what I can tell

Bob

going traveling is considered a temp leave from the UK, so it wouldn't have counted because she wouldn't have been resident anywhere permanently.