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Old Dec 16th 2021 | 8:53 pm
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Originally Posted by psychopomp1
QP certainly don’t just look at the colour of your passport. They also look where you’ve gained your experience, if it’s mainly Middle Eastern non multinationals then you can forget about getting a ‘western package’.
Everyone I know grew up and/or trained in the UK.
 
Old Dec 17th 2021 | 8:27 am
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Originally Posted by slo0079
So I estimate, after higher living costs (and pension), I will save 100% more per month than currently. That's what clinched the deal for us.
THIS IS IT. I've heard so many discussions around this and so many different answers, one gets lost. What is the perfect salary one should go for to work in ME? It DEPENDS on the person. No one can answer that except the person themselves. I have Accounting friends from East Africa and Yemen who dream of going to Saudi Arabia on a $500 a month job. I also have an Accounting buddy from Texas, who will only go to Saudi Arabia if they pay him minimum $50,000 a month. There is no black and white. If you are broke, unemployed, pretty much homeless in the UK living off welfare, then any offer is good enough. If you already have a 250,000 pounds a year job in UK with a beautiful mansion and 4 cars, the Saudis better pay you tonne more and give you a palace to live for you to move. It DEPENDS.

It all comes down to: after you take out all expenses and live a life that is EQUAL or HIGHER in standards of living where you currently are, how more are you going to save monthly net? For me personally, it has to be atleast 100% more. If not, the move is not worth it.

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Old Dec 18th 2021 | 6:48 am
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Originally Posted by psychopomp1
The time to negotiate any offer is BEFORE you accept it, not after accepting it. You might risk getting the offer removed altogether if you tell QP that its no longer suitable and they might assume you're a time waster and move on to the next candidate. So be very careful what you do next.

Btw a base salary of QAR 31500/m for a senior engineer at QP is pretty much par for the course, which probably means you'll be getting 45k+ all in. Not bad at all. The only way you'll get considerably more (60k+) is working through a contractor eg SPIE, NES Fircroft, Airswift etc
I wonder how these contracts work in the ME. Is the agency just a head hunter and your contract is directly signed with the employer?
 
Old Dec 18th 2021 | 6:53 am
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I signed the T&C and sent them back. Later I changed my mind and explained why. They came back with a final offer just over 32k (this had to be approved at the highest levels, blah blah). I then signed the T&C again and separate offer letter. Everyone was happy.

Turns out salaries are based on your passport. Not you. A friend was offered a position to lead a world-class international institution in Qatar, for 14k a month. He was like, what??!! He has a passport from a South American country and apparently this is seen as competitive. Except he moved from Washington D.C. and earned a lot more than that... they refused to negotiate so he turned them now.

Another friend moved from the UK. He has a passport from an African nation. He would have been offered pennies, but he has dual British passport so he was offered more.

Totally racist scheme but that's how it works.
Thanks for the feedback. Did the Job Grade change? I am assuming it is a grade 16 initially.


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Old Dec 18th 2021 | 7:39 am
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Originally Posted by kaza86
I wonder how these contracts work in the ME. Is the agency just a head hunter and your contract is directly signed with the employer?
No, when you're working through an agency you sign the contract with the agency, its the agency who pays you (usually a day rate), they are responsible for your visas, flights, accommodation, end of service benefits etc.
 
Old Dec 18th 2021 | 1:07 pm
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Originally Posted by slo0079
I signed the T&C and sent them back. Later I changed my mind and explained why. They came back with a final offer just over 32k (this had to be approved at the highest levels, blah blah). I then signed the T&C again and separate offer letter. Everyone was happy.

Turns out salaries are based on your passport. Not you. A friend was offered a position to lead a world-class international institution in Qatar, for 14k a month. He was like, what??!! He has a passport from a South American country and apparently this is seen as competitive. Except he moved from Washington D.C. and earned a lot more than that... they refused to negotiate so he turned them now.

Another friend moved from the UK. He has a passport from an African nation. He would have been offered pennies, but he has dual British passport so he was offered more.

Totally racist scheme but that's how it works.
Might sometimes feel like that, but it may not always be. I’m a first generation immigrant who has been settled successfully in the West for over 25 years now. As Western as can be. But originally I did come from a country which pays $500 for a job that I currently get paid xxxxx that. My current Western passport has to be taken into consideration because that’s where I have over half a million in mortgage. The fact that my old self (from my original country of origin) can buy 20 homes for half a million is irrelevant now. Fact is where is ones country of origin, because at the end of the day that’s where you will return to. For most, it’s usually the country of the passport you hold. That’s why most companies go with passport. It’s not racist, just simple economics. You can pay someone 10,000USD a month from some countries, and that would be heaven for them. You give that number to me or any of us living in California (for eg), we will laugh at it. Cause it’s pennies for us. That’s how it works.
 
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What is the difference between Kuwait, UAE and KSA?
Why would you expect to get paid differently?
Why on earth would anyone consider "educating" their offspring in any of these locations?
What is the relevance of the last post on a British expats middle east chat room? None of us earn $10,000/mth.
 

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