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Originally Posted by Inselaffen (Post 5328940)

Ah, the manoueverings of the Empire's King-makers was something to behold, indeed. Tariq Ali's "Bush in Babylon" gives a great account of the cynical "empire management" decisions that led to the creation of the fledgeling Iraq. We can also thank the Brit's for the Ibn Saud regime, too.

But, to be fair to Mr Wilson, the League of Nations was founded on a sound vision, and the concept of the United Nations is, I think, a sound one. If we are to be a "globalised" society, we need to evolve beyond the petty definitions of national identity.

{Shakhs leaps up from his desk and starts singing the "Internationale". His colleagues look mildly perturbed, but by now are used to such displays of eccentricity}

It was also britain's fault for the whole problem with israel/palestine conflict happening at the moment... however these being the route cause is not necessarily why all the violence is occuring now.

The UN is basically there as a front to pass resolutions to make it look like its a consensus vote from nations... in reality countries in the UN owe other countries favours for not being able to pay back loans from the world bank.

The US is further aggravating situations in the middle east by making the violence out to be nothing but religious factions trying to disturb the peace... but then it's not like they're doing it on purpose to serve their own purposes... just like other super power countries do. The problem lies within the people of the countries that the superpowers are playing with. the politicians are corrupt, the people are gullible to what's being said and hell breaks loose... no one wins in the end apart from the country controlling it all.

i agree though, nationalism seperates people just as religion does. however people are lost without something to belong to... everyone wants a family, be it blood related or a national bond...

countries and boundaries only exist to make sure that the rich are kept rich and the poor are kept in check...

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Originally Posted by shakh your bootie (Post 5328961)

I would hardly say it was Britain's fault for the whole situation!

Religion and the nationalism attached to it in that region are the major causes!
Until religion is fully detached from poilitics there will never be peace in that area.

Edward Said (RIP) wrote a very good article a few years ago about America's own identity crisis. It is worth remembering that the USA needs to fight for democracy on its own shores, rather than doing it by proxy on other people's.

http://www.glovesoff.org/web_archive...ar03_said.html

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Originally Posted by Cham128 (Post 5329379)

I would hardly say it was Britain's fault for the whole situation!

Yes it is. I demand an apology right now. And while you're at it, you should apologise to the French for Agincourt....:p

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Originally Posted by Inselaffen (Post 5329406)

Yes it is. I demand an apology right now. And while you're at it, you should apologise to the French for Agincourt....:p

Israel maybe but Aginourt is pushing it a bit too far!!
When they give us Dunkirk, Calais and the Aquitaine back I might consider it! :p

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Originally Posted by Inselaffen (Post 5329406)

Yes it is. I demand an apology right now. And while you're at it, you should apologise to the French for Agincourt....:p

that's ok i'm sure mayor ken livingstone will apologise for that as well considering he apologised for slavery a couple of weeks ago lol

but yes politics mixed with religion is always going to cause trouble but there is no way of keeping the two seperate.

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Originally Posted by shakh your bootie (Post 5329425)

Secular states make a good attempt.

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Originally Posted by Cham128 (Post 5329664)

Secular states make a good attempt.

like alabama? :lol:

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Originally Posted by Inselaffen (Post 5329684)

like alabama? :lol:

i think the adam and eve theory is VERY plausible :p

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Originally Posted by Cham128 (Post 5329379)

the politicians are corrupt, the people are gullible to what's being said ..

this isn't restricted to poor countries - "45 MINUTES FROM DOOM" - The Sun

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Originally Posted by jvr20 (Post 5332366)

this isn't restricted to poor countries - "45 MINUTES FROM DOOM" - The Sun

JVR, I am very disappointed to note that you are a Sun reader. Thought you were about more than bingo & tits.... :p

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Originally Posted by shakh your bootie (Post 5332548)

JVR, I am very disappointed to note that you are a Sun reader. Thought you were about more than bingo & tits.... :p

he does do the crossword as well!! :p

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Originally Posted by Inselaffen (Post 5332568)

he does do the crossword as well!! :p

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Originally Posted by jvr20 (Post 5332366)

this isn't restricted to poor countries - "45 MINUTES FROM DOOM" - The Sun

of course if you listened to the sun and the mail you'd think the apocalypse was happening every day of the week.

however i'm not saying that corrupt policians are just in poor countries... just that developed countries find it easier to play with them...

sign up for this loan from the world bank to increase your GDP ten-fold... when it doesn't happen and they can't pay it back it's a case of... oh don't worry just give us a UN vote... or cheap natural resources and you don't need to pay this month...

if they don't want to then you get a situation like iran... they owed the US millions but didn't pay it back... anyone want to take a shot as to if the iran bashing is going to continue after bush?