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fritztastic Sep 24th 2007 3:32 pm

CV--Header
 
I've noticed the header on a resume used in Dubai is slightly different that the West--can someone confirm the following are correct, and in the correct order? Thanks!

Full Name
Occupation
Birthdate
Marital Status
Nationality
Current Location

Also, how do you explain on a resume you're looking for work in Dubai, and not yet there? I was thinking of including something akin to "Dubai relocation imminent. Prepared to travel for interview, relocate immediately."

thanks for your help!

lionheart Sep 24th 2007 5:14 pm

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Originally Posted by fritztastic (Post 5350947)
I've noticed the header on a resume used in Dubai is slightly different that the West--can someone confirm the following are correct, and in the correct order? Thanks!

Full Name
Occupation
Birthdate
Marital Status
Nationality
Current Location

Also, how do you explain on a resume you're looking for work in Dubai, and not yet there? I was thinking of including something akin to "Dubai relocation imminent. Prepared to travel for interview, relocate immediately."

thanks for your help!

Sorry but who gives a toss about what order the headings are placed in? As for the Dubai aspect, just say "No objection to living in abject poverty, being treated as a second class citizen and walking to work" and you should be okay.

MataHari Sep 24th 2007 5:23 pm

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Originally Posted by lionheart (Post 5351081)
Sorry but who gives a toss about what order the headings are placed in? As for the Dubai aspect, just say "No objection to living in abject poverty, being treated as a second class citizen and walking to work" and you should be okay.

did you not have a fun night or something....

fritztastic Sep 24th 2007 5:30 pm

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Originally Posted by MataHari (Post 5351099)
did you not have a fun night or something....

you've been really helpful ;(

Meow Sep 24th 2007 5:30 pm

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Originally Posted by lionheart (Post 5351081)
Sorry but who gives a toss about what order the headings are placed in? As for the Dubai aspect, just say "No objection to living in abject poverty, being treated as a second class citizen and walking to work" and you should be okay.


Oh dear - someone got a crap, poorly paid job then?



Fritztastic - don't worry too much abou the order. Just make sure it is logical and no longer than 2 pages. Explain your circumstances in a covering letter.

lionheart Sep 24th 2007 5:30 pm

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Originally Posted by MataHari (Post 5351099)
did you not have a fun night or something....

Still over in Fujairah with my African friends...driving back tomorrow...I just fail to understand why anyone in their right mind would actively look to move here from the USA... but maybe it's the tax incentive or a love of Islam.

MataHari Sep 24th 2007 5:39 pm

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Originally Posted by lionheart (Post 5351116)
Still over in Fujairah with my African friends...driving back tomorrow...I just fail to understand why anyone in their right mind would actively look to move here from the USA... but maybe it's the tax incentive or a love of Islam.

We chose to come here over going to America...and I am happy we did

fritztastic Sep 24th 2007 5:48 pm

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Originally Posted by Meow (Post 5351115)
Fritztastic - don't worry too much abou the order. Just make sure it is logical and no longer than 2 pages. Explain your circumstances in a covering letter.

thanks--it is helpful.

I'm moving from the US for the experience. I've lived abroad twice (rome, hong kong), and would like one more go of it. I'm 35, recently single, debt-free...in short, nothing holding my back.

I'm not to keen on foreign languages, so I need a place where English is dominant, and jobs can be had. and dubai fits the bill. plus, i've never been there, and it seems like such a "now" city.

i live in los angeles, so cost of living seems similar. i live a modest life, so i'm not too worried about the costs.

lionheart Sep 24th 2007 5:50 pm

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Originally Posted by MataHari (Post 5351146)
We chose to come here over going to America...and I am happy we did

Maybe its the mosque just opposite the entrance to my villa which gets me down...its almost all night, every night these days...glad to escape to Fujairah, although its dry here with no liquor licence...my misses is begging me to relocate to California, mainly for the sake of our daughter.

jvr20 Sep 24th 2007 5:55 pm

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Originally Posted by lionheart (Post 5351181)
Maybe its the mosque just opposite the entrance to my villa which gets me down...its almost all night, every night these days...glad to escape to Fujairah, although its dry here with no liquor licence...my misses is begging me to relocate to California, mainly for the sake of our daughter.

you live in a villa and talk of being poorly paid... :blink:

shakh your bootie Sep 24th 2007 5:59 pm

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A lot of companies over here seem to like a photograph with the CV.....

FWIW, my feeling is that the UAE's pros out-weigh its cons, but inevitably that's going to depend on the person & the circumstance. There are really only 3 major factors that a person can change in their lives - where they live, where they work & their relationship. Moving abroad involves changing at least two if not all three of these!

jvr20 Sep 24th 2007 5:59 pm

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Originally Posted by fritztastic (Post 5350947)
I've noticed the header on a resume used in Dubai is slightly different that the West

is this true?

In any case even in the West there are differences (traditionally) between say a British and an American CV/Resume... like the 'profile' section that comes at the very top on an American one, where it's a two-liner saying something like "XYZ is seeking to do such and such and further his experience in so and so field", which I didn't like at first but it's becoming more common even in the UK and can really add something to the CV.

I don't think an American resume style will look too out of place here to be honest. If it's what you're most familiar with I'd say think about just going for it.

lionheart Sep 24th 2007 6:02 pm

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Originally Posted by jvr20 (Post 5351197)
you live in a villa and talk of being poorly paid... :blink:

At no time have I said I am poorly paid...others have said that on my behalf...unlike the 25 others sharing my bathroom!

Inselaffen Sep 24th 2007 6:36 pm

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Originally Posted by lionheart (Post 5351217)
At no time have I said I am poorly paid...others have said that on my behalf...unlike the 25 others sharing my bathroom!

do they also have University Degrees in International Relations? :p

Miss Eck Sep 24th 2007 6:48 pm

Re: CV--Header
 

Originally Posted by fritztastic (Post 5350947)
I've noticed the header on a resume used in Dubai is slightly different that the West--can someone confirm the following are correct, and in the correct order? Thanks!

Full Name
Occupation
Birthdate
Marital Status
Nationality
Current Location

Also, how do you explain on a resume you're looking for work in Dubai, and not yet there? I was thinking of including something akin to "Dubai relocation imminent. Prepared to travel for interview, relocate immediately."

thanks for your help!

I see lots of different formats of CVs land on my desk. I had one turn up in PowerPoint a few days ago which was dreadful!

What industry are you in?

lionheart Sep 24th 2007 7:02 pm

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Originally Posted by Inselaffen (Post 5351272)
do they also have University Degrees in International Relations? :p

Most do but I also have a Masters Degree in Business Administration, so I get first go in the morning.

fritztastic Sep 24th 2007 7:33 pm

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Originally Posted by Miss Eck (Post 5351305)
What industry are you in?

Business Development / Corporate Social Responsibility

shakh your bootie Sep 24th 2007 7:37 pm

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Originally Posted by fritztastic (Post 5351446)
Business Development / Corporate Social Responsibility

CV's are stone age. Just post a link to your facebook page.

MataHari Sep 24th 2007 7:38 pm

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Originally Posted by shakh your bootie (Post 5351456)
CV's are stone age. Just post a link to your facebook page.

yeah...poke around a bit

jvr20 Sep 24th 2007 7:38 pm

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Originally Posted by fritztastic (Post 5351446)
Business Development / Corporate Social Responsibility

the first exists, the second is even more of a smokescreen here than it is in the west.

Dago Sep 24th 2007 7:58 pm

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Originally Posted by lionheart (Post 5351181)
Maybe its the mosque just opposite the entrance to my villa which gets me down...its almost all night, every night these days...glad to escape to Fujairah, although its dry here with no liquor licence...my misses is begging me to relocate to California, mainly for the sake of our daughter.

I thought you could drink in Fujirah. I've stayed at the Hilton (?) on the beach and had a beer.

D

fritztastic Sep 24th 2007 8:17 pm

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Originally Posted by jvr20 (Post 5351460)
the first exists, the second is even more of a smokescreen here than it is in the west.

I've been wondering that...

From an outsider's perspective--from what i've read--it seems dubai is positioning itself as a model citizen: an aid hub for africa (humanitarian city), current programs like Dubai Cares, and the city's first corporate social responsibility report.

am i fooled by the hype?

Paidtoplease Sep 24th 2007 8:21 pm

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Originally Posted by fritztastic (Post 5351560)
I've been wondering that...

From an outsider's perspective--from what i've read--it seems dubai is positioning itself as a model citizen: an aid hub for africa (humanitarian city), current programs like Dubai Cares, and the city's first corporate social responsibility report.

am i fooled by the hype?

The only thing that Dubai understates is how good they are at the Hype.....

fritztastic Sep 24th 2007 8:23 pm

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Originally Posted by Paidtoplease (Post 5351573)
The only thing that Dubai understates is how good they are at the Hype.....

that's a damn witty quote. i don't know if its true, but brilliance!

Paidtoplease Sep 24th 2007 8:47 pm

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Originally Posted by fritztastic (Post 5351576)
that's a damn witty quote. i don't know if its true, but brilliance!

All that aside, I still enjoy working and living in Dubai..

jvr20 Sep 24th 2007 8:50 pm

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Originally Posted by fritztastic (Post 5351576)
that's a damn witty quote. i don't know if its true, but brilliance!

it's absolutely true. It's all hype here and zero substance.

dubai cares? Rather than starting some fancy new programme with dignitaries making impassioned speeches, how about enforcing already exisiting laws closer to home about treatment of the bottom tier of society, paying labourers the agreed wage, allowing pay increases to cope with the high inflation, shock-horror even consider unions...?

Nah far easier to hire some PR guru to throw some more smoke around.

Cham128 Sep 24th 2007 9:58 pm

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Originally Posted by shakh your bootie (Post 5351456)
CV's are stone age. Just post a link to your facebook page.

I think etisalat have banned my page from being shown over there...

IndieG Sep 24th 2007 11:38 pm

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Originally Posted by shakh your bootie (Post 5351207)
A lot of companies over here seem to like a photograph with the CV.....

That is a big no no - not unless you're applying to become a model.

I never include my age, religion, nationality, hobbies,marital status, "goals" etc etc on my CV.

I just have my name and contact details on the centre at the very top.

Then start with the current/last organisation you're working for on the left, with designation below. Then period of employment and place on the right.
Brief description of responsibilities (bullet points) and significant achievements.

Education - right at the end.

Ideally your CV should not be more than 2 pages long, 3 at the most.

Cham128 Sep 25th 2007 12:33 am

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Originally Posted by IndieGirl (Post 5352097)
That is a big no no - not unless you're applying to become a model.

I never include my age, religion, nationality, hobbies,marital status, "goals" etc etc on my CV.

I just have my name and contact details on the centre at the very top.

Then start with the current/last organisation you're working for on the left, with designation below. Then period of employment and place on the right.
Brief description of responsibilities (bullet points) and significant achievements.

Education - right at the end.

Ideally your CV should not be more than 2 pages long, 3 at the most.

do they ask for all of that afterwards anyway before moving forward? I applied to a few jobs all over the gulf region last year, every agency came back asking for marital status, age, nationality etc. at the time i thought it was a bit strange so never replied but since my latest job hunt for dubai i've realised that it seems to be a standard set of questions

jvr20 Sep 25th 2007 12:37 am

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Originally Posted by Cham128 (Post 5352272)
do they ask for all of that afterwards anyway before moving forward? I applied to a few jobs all over the gulf region last year, every agency came back asking for marital status, age, nationality etc. at the time i thought it was a bit strange so never replied but since my latest job hunt for dubai i've realised that it seems to be a standard set of questions

Welcome to a multi-tier society... you get paid according to your nationality here.

IndieG Sep 25th 2007 2:05 am

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Originally Posted by Cham128 (Post 5352272)
I applied to a few jobs all over the gulf region last year, every agency came back asking for marital status, age, nationality etc.

Yep, headhunters do that here and I find it very irritating.........

Cham128 Sep 25th 2007 2:43 am

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Originally Posted by IndieGirl (Post 5352585)
Yep, headhunters do that here and I find it very irritating.........

i remember the last interview I had in the UK... i arrived at the interview and they said... we didn't realise you'd be so young... although it's not "PC" i knew straight away i wasn't getting a second interview from that place.

The Dean Sep 25th 2007 2:44 am

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Originally Posted by IndieGirl (Post 5352585)
Yep, headhunters do that here and I find it very irritating.........

They often also ask for 'current or most recent remuneration package' or some such phrase.

This is an awkward one as "Mind your own F---ING business" (which is the correct answer) doesn't go down too well. Just be firm and say 'no' if they ask you for this, and it's definitely not for inclusion in a CV.

Also - don't be afraid to shout about your achievements - they don't see that as arrogant or inappropriate out here. And don't make the mistake of confusing 'achievements' with interests or hobbies - I know of a Saudi woman who had set up and run a publishing venture - she described it in her CV as a 'pastime'. It became a successful business (not easy for a female entrepreneur in the Magic Kingdom) and as such that was most certainly an 'achievement'.

IndieG Sep 25th 2007 2:56 am

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Originally Posted by The Dean (Post 5352696)
They often also ask for 'current or most recent remuneration package' or some such phrase.

This is an awkward one as "Mind your own F---ING business" (which is the correct answer)

RAKBANK actually ask for your previous pay slip after you join them:mad: Happened to a friend of mine - that Bank is the pits to work for.....

Cham128 Sep 25th 2007 3:10 am

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Originally Posted by IndieGirl (Post 5352729)
RAKBANK actually ask for your previous pay slip after you join them:mad: Happened to a friend of mine - that Bank is the pits to work for.....

i like how that's "after" you join them... meaning that they'll change your contract....

*strikes rakbank off the list* anymore i should be weary of?

IndieG Sep 25th 2007 3:28 am

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Originally Posted by Cham128 (Post 5352776)
i like how that's "after" you join them... meaning that they'll change your contract....

*strikes rakbank off the list* anymore i should be weary of?

Apparently people inflate their salaries and say they will only move for X amount, since they are already earning Y. So they want to make sure you were actually earning Y :rolleyes:

Yep, strike them off your list...

Also: HSBC, Mashreq ......

Dubai_Chick Sep 25th 2007 3:37 am

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Originally Posted by The Dean (Post 5352696)
They often also ask for 'current or most recent remuneration package' or some such phrase.

This is an awkward one as "Mind your own F---ING business" (which is the correct answer) doesn't go down too well. Just be firm and say 'no' if they ask you for this, and it's definitely not for inclusion in a CV.

Also - don't be afraid to shout about your achievements - they don't see that as arrogant or inappropriate out here. And don't make the mistake of confusing 'achievements' with interests or hobbies - I know of a Saudi woman who had set up and run a publishing venture - she described it in her CV as a 'pastime'. It became a successful business (not easy for a female entrepreneur in the Magic Kingdom) and as such that was most certainly an 'achievement'.

Some employers do not like you to 'brag'. It can sometimes be seen as arrogance which does not always go down too well. It is a fine line between confidence and arrogance.


Originally Posted by IndieGirl (Post 5352849)
Apparently people inflate their salaries and say they will only move for X amount, since they are already earning Y. So they want to make sure you were actually earning Y :rolleyes:

Yep, strike them off your list...

Also: HSBC, Mashreq ......

Sometimes inflating your salary is the only way to get ahead in business :D At least you don't have to hand in a P45 or the like here. Shocking that a bank would ask for a previous payslip :sneaky:

IndieG Sep 25th 2007 3:40 am

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Originally Posted by Dubai_Chick (Post 5352894)
Sometimes inflating your salary is the only way to get ahead in business :D At least you don't have to hand in a P45 or the like here. Shocking that a bank would ask for a previous payslip :sneaky:

Friend attended an interview in Mashreq 2 days ago, can you believe they wanted to see her 6 months bank statements - She said absolutely NO, she didn't get the job....

Dubai_Chick Sep 25th 2007 3:42 am

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Originally Posted by IndieGirl (Post 5352097)
That is a big no no - not unless you're applying to become a model.

I never include my age, religion, nationality, hobbies,marital status, "goals" etc etc on my CV.

I just have my name and contact details on the centre at the very top.

Then start with the current/last organisation you're working for on the left, with designation below. Then period of employment and place on the right.
Brief description of responsibilities (bullet points) and significant achievements.

Education - right at the end.

Ideally your CV should not be more than 2 pages long, 3 at the most.

My CV is structured very similar to this as well. I also have a section on skills which is relevant to my job. Likewise I have never included DOB, marital status etc. However these are some of the first questions I get asked in interviews :mad:

Dubai_Chick Sep 25th 2007 3:43 am

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Originally Posted by IndieGirl (Post 5352903)
Friend attended an interview in Mashreq 2 days ago, can you believe they wanted to see her 6 months bank statements - She said absolutely NO, she didn't get the job....

They are having a laugh :ohmy: I would have refused as well.


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