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British Expats (https://britishexpats.com/forum/)
-   The Maple Leaf (https://britishexpats.com/forum/maple-leaf-98/)
-   -   World Cup (https://britishexpats.com/forum/maple-leaf-98/world-cup-670118/)

R I C H Jun 28th 2010 7:53 am
Re: World Cup
 
Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 8663512)
He has performed well internationally before back in 2004 when he announced his arrival on the international stage.
2004 form is irrelevant. It's today's form that matters. Giving a player several 'off' games and hoping he'll come good might be acceptable, but at some point you need to look elsewhere, and to my mind there are a number of players that have had too much faith put in past performance for too long.

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 8663512)
He is on form England's only World CLass player and the only way to find form is via games.
Really? And hasn't he played enough football this year to be on form?

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 8663512)
Other players you cannot extend this courtesy too because their best is not world class or as devastating to opposition.
But the point is he's quite obviously not at his best, nor devastating in any way. Should we just wait for him to be ready and able?

Greenhill Jun 28th 2010 8:19 am
Re: World Cup
 
JamesM 11
Greenhill 9
Clematis 8
LordVader 6
Oink 6
PartiallyDischarged 6
OinksNan 5
Alan2005 4
GreenVale 3
VadersGoldfish 1

Greenhill Jun 28th 2010 8:21 am
Re: World Cup
 
29 Jun...predictions before 11:00am AST please:thumbup:

* Paraguay 0 Japan 0
* Spain 0 Portugal 0

JamesM Jun 28th 2010 8:25 am
Re: World Cup
 
JamesM Paraguay 1 Japan 2
JamesM Spain 3 Portugal 1

JamesM Jun 28th 2010 8:27 am
Re: World Cup
 
Originally Posted by R I C H (Post 8663545)



Really? And hasn't he played enough football this year to be on form?

He had an injury late on in the season which disrupted this

But the point is he's quite obviously not at his best, nor devastating in any way. Should we just wait for him to be ready and able?
Yes- unfortunately he is the one player with a guaranteed name on the team sheet as he is the only World Class player in my opinion

Oink Jun 28th 2010 8:27 am
Re: World Cup
 
Oink Paraguay 2 Japan 1
Oink Spain 1 Portugal 1


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It's too late to text her so I'll post her predictions later.

Partially discharged Jun 28th 2010 8:31 am
Re: World Cup
 
PartiallyDischarged Paraguay 2 Japan 1
PartiallyDischarged Spain 2 Portugal 0

Lord Vader Jun 28th 2010 8:39 am
Re: World Cup
 
Originally Posted by Lord Vader (Post 8663394)
Why does England have an Italian coach. Wouldn't an English coach be in a better position to motivate the players?
Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 8663406)
Look up Kevin Keegan and Steve Mclaren.

The former was supposedly a great "man motivator" but probably the most tactically naive manager we've ever had- the performance's under Keegan are my bench mark of poor England displays and surpass anything seen at this World Cup.

Hoddle and Venables were both better but not in the job long due to non-footballing reasons.
Originally Posted by jimf (Post 8663471)
Keegan was a disaster and Mclaren even worse. Graham Taylor was another out of his depth.
Surely you won't discriminate against yourselves. There must be a couple of 1st class English coaches that are capable.

Alan2005 Jun 28th 2010 8:41 am
Re: World Cup
 
Alan2005 Paraguay 2 Japan 0
Alan2005 Spain 2 Portugal 1

Lord Vader Jun 28th 2010 8:42 am
Re: World Cup
 
LordVader Paraguay 2 Japan 0
LordVader Spain 3 Portugal 2

VadersGoldfish Paraguay 4 Japan 3 PENS
VadersGoldfish Spain 4 Portugal 3 PENS

R I C H Jun 28th 2010 9:07 am
Re: World Cup
 
Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 8663612)
Really? And hasn't he played enough football this year to be on form?


He had an injury late on in the season which disrupted this

But the point is he's quite obviously not at his best, nor devastating in any way. Should we just wait for him to be ready and able?

Yes- unfortunately he is the one player with a guaranteed name on the team sheet as he is the only World Class player in my opinion
So was there was a degree of risk taking him due to lack of match fitness? And yet he was still persisted with after 3 poor games.

No player should ever be guaranteed a place, that's just a cop-out and doesn't incentivize a work ethic to get into the team on merit and form. Over paid prima-donnas need a wake up call sometimes.

Greenhill Jun 28th 2010 10:21 am
Re: World Cup
 
I've had a quick play around with stats regarding previous world cup penalty shoot-out wins (I think someone posted earlier in the thread about this?)

Excel tells me, on average:-
Spoiler:
  1. There's a penalty shoot-out every 5.6 matches
  2. Only Germany,Argentina or Brazil are worth selecting (to win)
  3. The chance of getting the score right is as follows:-
(4-3) 26.3%
(5-4) 21.1%
(3-2) 15.8%
(5-3) 10.5%
(3-1) 10.5%
(4-2) 5.3%
(4-1) 5.3%
(3-0) 5.3%

Greenhill Jun 28th 2010 10:23 am
Re: World Cup
 
Greenhill Paraguay 1 Japan 1
Greenhill Spain 1 Portugal 1

GreenVale Paraguay 1 Japan 0
GreenVale Spain 2 Portugal 3

Lord Vader Jun 28th 2010 10:52 am
Re: World Cup
 
Originally Posted by Greenhill (Post 8663827)
I've had a quick play around with stats regarding previous world cup penalty shoot-out wins (I think someone posted earlier in the thread about this?)

Excel tells me, on average:-
Spoiler:
  1. There's a penalty shoot-out every 5.6 matches
  2. Only Germany,Argentina or Brazil are worth selecting (to win)
  3. The chance of getting the score right is as follows:-
(4-3) 26.3%
(5-4) 21.1%
(3-2) 15.8%
(5-3) 10.5%
(3-1) 10.5%
(4-2) 5.3%
(4-1) 5.3%
(3-0) 5.3%
Goldfish thinks this is going to be an above average year.

JamesM Jun 28th 2010 11:06 am
Re: World Cup
 
Originally Posted by R I C H (Post 8663688)
So was there was a degree of risk taking him due to lack of match fitness? And yet he was still persisted with after 3 poor games.

No player should ever be guaranteed a place, that's just a cop-out and doesn't incentivize a work ethic to get into the team on merit and form. Over paid prima-donnas need a wake up call sometimes.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Capello picked him on the basis that his form would return.

The public backlash of Capello not picking him for any game would have been massive.


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