Lord Vader

Ok, thanks. Why did they stop the Golden goals?

Alan2005

Actually thinking about this you shouldn't restrict penalty predictions to just those who predict a draw. Otherwise those who predict draws have the potential to get lots more points than those who don't; which makes the system open to being gamed. i.e. predicting 0-0 draws and penalty wins will probably do quite well on average.

Alan2005

The golden goal just ended up with 0-0 extra time results as everyone played really defensively.

If it were up to me - after extra time I'd take the goalies off and then play another two 5 minute 'halves' - repeat until somebody wins.

Novocastrian

Both the Golden and Silver goals are/were relatively new-fangled ideas. They were tried (mostly at the Euro comp I think) but didn't catch on.

I've no problem with any of the systems really although I prefer the original way.

Full details here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_goal

jimf

Thats right about the Golden Goal. Better just to pay two periods of extra time.

I think if the goalies went off you'd just get a load of sendings off as the outfield players would handle to save goals.

Novocastrian

Then we'd never have a penalty shoot out, which I have to admit I enjoy watching (as long as it's not England vs Germany.... or anyone else actually).

Oink

Because they're wank.

Alan2005

I do too actually.

Lord Vader

they could start the extra time with 10 aside and after every 5 minutes both teams lose a player and so on until a goal is scored.

Novocastrian

Or they could all wear body amour and big gloves which they can drop and smack each other in gob.

Greenhill

The way I intended it is, if someone predicts a draw it's only valid at the end of extra time. Say, if you predict 0-0, and at the end of extra time it's a draw: you'll earn a point (or 3 if it's exact, i.e. 0-0), irrespective of the penalty result.

OTH, if someone wants to make a penalty "win" prediction, they have to add a "penalties" signifier on the end of the prediction. It's basically an opportunity to gamble for some extra points that can only be gained when the team they pick wins a penalty shoot-out.

Predicting a draw but putting in the "penalty" signifier would give 0 points. If anyone does this, I'm sure someone will quickly point out they need to correct it

So, there are three options for each prediction, e.g.:-

Brazil 3 England 0 (a win in 90 mins or extra time only) Result:1pt, Score:3pts
Brazil 0 England 0 (a draw after extra time only) Result:1pt, Score:3pts
Brazil 5 England 4 PENS (a penalties result only) Result:2pts, Score:5pts

Greenhill

Feel free to email or pm me in advance, if you do get the opportunity. I'm sure the mods won't ban me for quoting such messages

I'm thinking we also need to have some sort of secrecy for predictions on the last day of the group stage. Perhaps everyone can pm me with theirs and I'll pm someone with mine, then the lot can be posted together... or something

Novocastrian

Get a grip. That's incomprehensible.

Keep it simple.

Novocastrian

Cheers.

Greenhill

Ok...

So, same as before, PLUS there's now also the PENALTY score option. If you want to predict the penalty score, simply add the word "PENS" on the end of your prediction.

Better?