My all season tyres work fine at -40c i have michelin on my Edge i have had no issues driving in snow or on ice even at those very low temps

Have you actually ever tried winter tires in the winter?

Nope im just offering my experience of never using them

I'll chime in here - again. Yes all seasons are adequate. I've had them a couple of seasons. However my truck is just used for the day to day stuff. I don't have to drive to and from a job everyday nor do we have kids here that need ferrying anywhere, so really only need to use the truck for neccessities. IME you just have to drive extra carefully - though even last year I lost traction on a highway and did a 180 and ended up in a ditch. Thats whu I've said to other half there's no point spending the money on my tires.

I can absolutely tell the diff between my truck and hubbys (which is the one we use for going anywhere when he's home anyway) and if I needed to use a vehicle daily as opposed to having the option to say "I'm holing up at home for a few days" then the choice would be obvious.

Im just having a very hard time reconciling your experience at -40 with my experiences at -20.

For 5 or so years after I first came over I felt the same, all seasons were fine. The car went, the car stopped, no problems. Then we had our first kid, and my (canadian) wife insisted on winter tires for her and the babe. I argued, but in the end she won (as usual). Having had them forced on me I couldnt believe how night and day the difference was, and much as I hate to admit it, she was so right about them.

The only thing that an all season has going for it at -40 is that its round (except for the flat spot that has probably frozen into its rock hard rubber.) Maybe you could find a buddy with some winters and compare stopping distances in an empty parking lot some time

I agree

Until I put winter tires on our vehicles, I though all seasons were fine. Sure, my tires would spin initially at when the lights went from red to green but so did the tires of most others' vehicles. I even slid at a couple of stop signs (6 inches or so) and, of course, on unseen ice, I slid when going round corners

I then put on winter tires and I cannot recall ever spinning when taking off, I have never slid through a stop sign and have not slid even on black ice.

All seasons work in winter until they don't. Winter tires work in winter, unless you wish to act like the late great Colin McCrae

I don't attempt to persuade others that don't wish to be persuaded. At the end of the day, each has to make their own choice.

By the sounds of it, where most of you lot live, I'd be fitting half-tracks not worrying about tyres on my car.

I have looked at BMP for sale ads a few times, but the cost of shipping one to Canada from Eastern Europe or Russia would be excessive.

It's not a matter of persuasion, it's a matter of where you live (or rather where you drive to in winter). Special tyres are simply not necessary in the GTA. Driving according to the conditions on the day is necessary.

I thought that's what I said.

Unless you drive a Mazda 5!

If you live in the east, it might be a good idea to get those winter tyres fitted before the arrival of "Frankenstorm" next week

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/east-coa...torm-1.1011497

i agree it is down to personal experience i have never had winter tyres so i dont miss what i have never had. For me i have had far more hair raising winter driving experiences in the UK than i have ever had in Canada.

Ah. That's your choice. Face the consequences. BTW did you see JamesM's thread about a meetup? Hope you can make it.

I didn't - but I shall look for it now