ultrarunner

If you have your citizenship, doesn't that make you one also?

I am guessing that you have? If not I take it back

Editha

In the nineteenth century Britain was the victor in rather a lot of wars. I've done a quick count with the aid of Wikipedia and tallied 69. In the process it "absent mindedly" acquired an empire. Most of them we prefer to forget (including and especially the opium wars). 1812 just doesn't figure as large in British history as in Canadian.

Novocastrian

Even though it was largely (if not overwhelmingly) a British action.

jimmydean

At what point did the French surrender in the war of 1812?

bats

I don't

Editha

But it was a side-show to the main field of conflict at the time -- the war against Napoleon. Also, another reason for not celebrating the war of 1812, is that it took place on more than one front, and in the American South it was a disaster -- The Battle of New Orleans was a notable defeat and the commander, Wellington's brother-in-law Pakenham died during the battle.

bats

I used to drink in his pub.

(The Pakenham Arms near Grays Inn Road)

Editha

Probably named after General Edward Pakenham, but there are other possibilities -- there were a couple of Admiral Pakenhams, and it is the family name of the Earls of Longford.

bats

You know, I never worried about the pub's provenance but now I am going to have to Google to find out.

balmarino

Yes man! the Yanks dominate Canada to the core, they own the place the US secret agenda was/is own and buy-up a nation and its in your back pocket... South America~ Cuba? till they were kicked-out by the great Castro... like the UN Nato ect..... Even American accents in Canada~ how~~ sad indeed, plus their uncouth misspelings.... Who really stands on guard for thee? Who?

Editha

In case you haven't found it: http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/W...reet_London_UK

So definitely Edward.

bats

Yep, found the same thing

It looks a fancy place now. It was a lovely scruffy pub in olden times

Editha

I don't remember ever drinking there, although I know the area well. I wonder if there are any pubs in central London that haven't been done up?

Back in 2006, not long before I left the UK, I was attending a meeting a small former mining village in North Staffs. Afterwards I took a friend to the local, telling him he was in for a treat because it was a typical working man's pub. We walked through the door and found ourselves in a"gastro-pub", all chrome and smoked glass and leather chairs. We fell about laughing.

bats

I feel your pain!

I used to live very near to the Pakenham so went there often. One bar was Post Office workers and the other hospital workers.

Novocastrian

The best pub I ever lived near was in Cambridge, on the River Cam. We lived in a houseboat moored in the river, close enough that we used the pub's toilets to wash in.

The houseboat eventually sank due to an unfortunate incident involving bilge pumps and feral ducks, so we had to move.

In July this year, we went back to this pub and were horrified that it's been turned into a Wetherspoon's.

Dogs. Country. Gone.