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Re: What a cop out...
Originally Posted by fledermaus
(Post 8443123)
One should try not to judge people by appearances.
Obviously the policeman made a mistake. No one comes out with a great deal of credit. |
Re: What a cop out...
Originally Posted by jimf
(Post 8443251)
It's her decision to not appear in court and the reasons given which appear to indicate she is aware of her own lack of credibility as a witness.
Obviously the policeman made a mistake. No one comes out with a great deal of credit. |
Re: What a cop out...
Originally Posted by fledermaus
(Post 8443282)
I don't think that indicates her lack of credibility at all. It indicates what she said - that in court the defence will try to discredit her to gain the upper hand and that any information released in court will become public knowledge. Would you want details of your life in the national newspapers?? You would want it even less if you were depressed.
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Re: What a cop out...
Originally Posted by fledermaus
(Post 8443282)
I don't think that indicates her lack of credibility at all. It indicates what she said - that in court the defence will try to discredit her to gain the upper hand and that any information released in court will become public knowledge. Would you want details of your life in the national newspapers?? You would want it even less if you were depressed.
She has the opportunity to appear in court to project herself as a reasonable person who was a victim of assault but has declined to do so. |
Re: What a cop out...
Originally Posted by jimf
(Post 8443304)
If she was a credible witness she would have no trouble at all in appearing in court. The defence would only be able to successfully discredit her if there was a basis upon which to discredit her.
She has the opportunity to appear in court to project herself as a reasonable person who was a victim of assault but has declined to do so. I have a few skeletons in my cupboard that I would not want publicised, plus an ex or two that I wouldn't want to know where I lived. I suppose in your view I would be an unreasonable person with no credibility as a witness. Your prejudices are showing. |
Re: What a cop out...
I always thought that the accused had the right to face his/her accuser, or is that just in the movies or on TV.
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Re: What a cop out...
Originally Posted by fledermaus
(Post 8443306)
you are saying then that only reasonable persons can be victims??
Of course not but a projection of unreasonable behaviour might help the policemans defence. I have a few skeletons in my cupboard that I would not want publicised, plus an ex or two that I wouldn't want to know where I lived. I suppose in your view I would be an unreasonable person with no credibility as a witness. I expect if there were a genuine threat to her health or security then the court would allow that information to be witheld but just to avoid fair questioning as part of the policemans entitlement to a fair defence - is the defence supposed to give her special treatment to allow her to appear as a witness without causing embarrassment to her? Your prejudices are showing. In what way? |
Re: What a cop out...
Originally Posted by jimf
(Post 8443356)
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Re: What a cop out...
Originally Posted by Jingsamichty
(Post 8442267)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/8582478.stm
How disappointing that the police officer accused of assaulting a G20 protestor (the incident infamously caught on TV cameras) has resorted to a pathetic excuse that he "thought a carton of orange juice in her hand was a weapon". Have a look at the video again. Isn't that a rubbish defence? Come on, Officer Smellie, just admit that you gave shrieking hippy exactly what she deserved. |
Re: What a cop out...
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 8443395)
I don't see what difference it makes either way. That copper is guilty of assault as can be seen from the video. Maybe the consequences don't merit the crime as rae suggests, but you can't say he didn't do it - cos he did. Dragging that young girl into court isn't going to change that.
Clearly he hit her but whether or not there are valid mitigating factors is for the judge to decide based on all the evidence not just the video. She is over 18 isn't she? |
Re: What a cop out...
Originally Posted by jimf
(Post 8443441)
Clearly he hit her but whether or not there are valid mitigating factors is for the judge to decide based on all the evidence not just the video.
What evidence more can there be beyond than that shown? We see a shrill harridan baiting the cop to hit her. He does. The question is whether or not it was reasonable of him to do so, how much restraint can one expect from the police? Introducing more considerations such as, for example, her drug taking and her sexual history, is just about muddying the waters. Either it's reasonable force or it isn't, it's not unreasonable force against a Conservative and reasonable force against an organic vegan. |
Re: What a cop out...
I see two attempts by a good for nothing (self confessed leach on UK society) making two approaches at said cop who rightly brushed aside this weasel using only his highly trained peripheral vision in tune with his gloved hand and then his baton.
Still gobbing off she got whacked, sad story.... Its just a video, the cop was there for real having to watch a wide arc filled with other nutters. Pity he was not carry a proper full length baseball bat type baton rather than his little albeit puny quick extender; then he could have stayed back a bit (also keeping the smell away) giving them a good prod to keep their distance... My two cents...now off to refresh my aid to the civil power-baton wielding skills. Life is good. |
Re: What a cop out...
Originally Posted by airbornesapper
(Post 8444215)
My two cents...now off to refresh my aid to the civil power-baton wielding skills.
Life is good. A question, if I may. Would you say that your extremist authoritarian viewpoints derive from your lack of communication skills, or does holding such views adle one's brain? The great difficulty the rest of have in discussions with those, such as yourself, who hold views on the extreme right is that such views are rarely advanced in a coherent fashion. I can understand this in the case of Americans, trailer trash from the States beyond the net of the education system, but you're from the UK, you must once have been able to form sentences. Life Military Brain ****ing is it? |
Re: What a cop out...
If I get caught on camera speeding, that evidence in itself is enough to convict me. I don't need to appear in court, and no copper ever saw me do it.
The amount of CCTV cameras in the UK suggests that video evidence is considered to be pretty much incontrovertable, so I assume that this is why the judge is allowing the video evidence to stand on its own, without the presence of the undoubtedly whiny and highly annoying victim. |
Re: What a cop out...
Originally Posted by rae
(Post 8443052)
however, you can't have one set of trial rules for the general population and another for the police.
I would agree with that most strongly. Probably not in the way you meant it though. ;) |
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