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Re: What a cop out...
Originally Posted by fledermaus
(Post 8449440)
Why are many of you referring to the woman as a girl??
I think it fits more conveniently with the apparent "david and goliath" aspect of the confrontation. Maybe we should call him a "policeboy" |
Re: What a cop out...
Originally Posted by fledermaus
(Post 8449440)
Why are many of you referring to the woman as a girl??
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Re: What a cop out...
Here is the elusive Ms Fisher
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...ex/8005390.stm His words in court........ "Not one photograph or piece of footage comes close to reflecting the fear as I turned around to see this crowd and its proximity, both to myself and my officers," he said. "At the time I thought, this is it: she is deliberately coming from a blind spot. "The reason she is coming from a blind spot is to hide her intention so she can approach and attack her target – me." http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/ma...-assault-trial From other witnesses A G20 protester allegedly assaulted by a policeman was "confrontational" and behaving like a "lunatic", two witnesses said yesterday. Office worker Mark Ellul said he saw animal rights activist Nicola Fisher acting "like a cat on a hot tin roof" before her clash with Sgt Delroy Smellie last April. Colleague Tracey McDonnell said Ms Fisher, 36, from Brighton, was "playing up to the cameras", being aggressive to police and throwing orange juice at Sgt Smellie. He allegedly hit her with a baton. But both witnesses, giving evidence for the prosecution, said they contacted the Independent Police Complaints Commission as coverage of the London incident was "inaccurate and unfair on him". Mr Ellul told Westminster JPs: "Nicola Fisher charged at the officer. She was right up in his face." Miss McDonnell said: "She was, I hate to say it, aggressive towards him." Sgt Smellie, 47, denies assault. The case continues. |
Re: What a cop out...
Oh dear.
The 'butter wouldn't melt' attitude, the feigned innocence, poor victim me - and Max Clifford as her PR agent!! .:lol: I fear Sgt Smellie didn't hit her hard enough. ;) |
Re: What a cop out...
Originally Posted by Jingsamichty
(Post 8451492)
Oh dear.
The 'butter wouldn't melt' attitude, the feigned innocence, poor victim me - and Max Clifford as her PR agent!! .:lol: I fear Sgt Smellie didn't hit her hard enough. ;) "If Max Clifford's so good at PR, how come everyone thinks he's a ****?" |
Re: What a cop out...
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 8451494)
Cue old joke,
"If Max Clifford's so good at PR, how come everyone thinks he's a ****?" |
Re: What a cop out...
Originally Posted by Jingsamichty
(Post 8444319)
If I get caught on camera speeding, that evidence in itself is enough to convict me. I don't need to appear in court, and no copper ever saw me do it.
A speeding ticket does not 'convict' anyone, but merely allows the state to collect fines without requiring everyone to appear in court unless they choose to do so. |
Re: What a cop out...
Originally Posted by jimf
(Post 8451475)
Here is the elusive Ms Fisher
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...ex/8005390.stm His words in court........ "Not one photograph or piece of footage comes close to reflecting the fear as I turned around to see this crowd and its proximity, both to myself and my officers," he said. "At the time I thought, this is it: she is deliberately coming from a blind spot. "The reason she is coming from a blind spot is to hide her intention so she can approach and attack her target – me." http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/ma...-assault-trial From other witnesses A G20 protester allegedly assaulted by a policeman was "confrontational" and behaving like a "lunatic", two witnesses said yesterday. Office worker Mark Ellul said he saw animal rights activist Nicola Fisher acting "like a cat on a hot tin roof" before her clash with Sgt Delroy Smellie last April. Colleague Tracey McDonnell said Ms Fisher, 36, from Brighton, was "playing up to the cameras", being aggressive to police and throwing orange juice at Sgt Smellie. He allegedly hit her with a baton. But both witnesses, giving evidence for the prosecution, said they contacted the Independent Police Complaints Commission as coverage of the London incident was "inaccurate and unfair on him". Mr Ellul told Westminster JPs: "Nicola Fisher charged at the officer. She was right up in his face." Miss McDonnell said: "She was, I hate to say it, aggressive towards him." Sgt Smellie, 47, denies assault. The case continues. Yet the footage of the incident clearly shows her approach him, yell something, and then push the officer before he reacts and swipes her across the face. Brilliant. |
Re: What a cop out...
Originally Posted by el_richo
(Post 8452812)
I love the fact that on the video, in she comments on the initial face slap, "...he struck me for no reason, i hadn't approached him, spoken to him, or anything...".
Yet the footage of the incident clearly shows her approach him, yell something, and then push the officer before he reacts and swipes her across the face. Brilliant. Mr Paul added that the officer's defence team want to question Ms Fisher's reliability as a witness and wish to explore with her the fact that she was aggressive "in the moments up and until the physical confrontation". It looks like Ms Fisher has answered the first part of that with the no show and the second part answered by the other witnesses who made the effort to contact the IPC. |
Re: What a cop out...
Originally Posted by jimf
(Post 8453970)
Quote from the defence lawyer on the first day:
Mr Paul added that the officer's defence team want to question Ms Fisher's reliability as a witness and wish to explore with her the fact that she was aggressive "in the moments up and until the physical confrontation". It looks like Ms Fisher has answered the first part of that with the no show and the second part answered by the other witnesses who made the effort to contact the IPC. |
Re: What a cop out...
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 8454004)
He must be innocent then:(
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Re: What a cop out...
District Judge Daphne Wickham found no evidence had been provided to show use of the baton was not measured or correct.
She said: "It was for the prosecution to prove this defendant was not acting in lawful self-defence. "The prosecution has failed in this respect and the defendant has raised the issue of lawful self-defence and as such is entitled to be acquitted." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/8597217.stm Ms Fisher, who did not give evidence at the trial because she feared her lifestyle may be raised by the defence, said she was "disappointed" by the verdict. She added: "I'm just glad it's all over. It has been a nightmare. "I stand by what I said." |
Re: What a cop out...
I wonder what the reaction to that decision will be?
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As I said earlier, nothing surprises me when it comes to the UK courts. Does anyone thing that a jury would have come to the same conclusion?
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Re: What a cop out...
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 8462944)
I wonder what the reaction to that decision will be?
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 8462950)
As I said earlier, nothing surprises me when it comes to the UK courts. Does anyone thing that a jury would have come to the same conclusion?
The Prosecution was to a great extent, brought on the grounds of political expediency....and in the light of the evidence the prosecution offered, should never have been pursued in the first place...which would have been the likely outcome if the accused had been anyone else. e'g. not a police officer |
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