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Shard Jan 11th 2014 1:30 pm

Re: Wages in the UK
 

Originally Posted by colchar (Post 11074401)
Looking at advertised positions for various occupations I've always noticed that the salaries are lower back in Britain.

In graduate school I did a lot of research for thesis and dissertation purposes on MI5 and, while checking something on their webpage one day, I happened to look at their recruitment pages and I couldn't believe how low the salaries were. And I have a cousin who works for one of the intelligence agencies in Britain and his salary is a lot lower than for a similar position here.

Yes but they get to drive Aston Martins in Monaco and jet set to exotic locations around the world! ;)

JamesM Jan 11th 2014 1:39 pm

Re: Wages in the UK
 

Originally Posted by mandymoochops (Post 11073037)
Those are terrible wages. All of them :blink:

Not much better in Canada.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tabl...bor93a-eng.htm

Once you get outside the cities and large towns people here earn a lot less.

This thread has made me realise how detached people on this forum are from the economics of reality.

JamesM Jan 11th 2014 1:45 pm

Re: Wages in the UK
 

Originally Posted by jossie (Post 11073155)
Substantially higher here I would say. For some positions listed, the pay here in Canada is 3 fold.

Meanwhile back on planet Earth......

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/median-...hows-1.1449641

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15197860

MrFloyd Jan 11th 2014 1:57 pm

Re: Wages in the UK
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11074421)

Hahahaha!

Jesus, Mary and Joesph...

And I do get a strong impression that a lot of people on this forum are middle class and in some cases have totally lost their economic realism with the figures I see thrown around.

Almost Canadian Jan 12th 2014 1:11 am

Re: Wages in the UK
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11074412)
Yes but they get to drive Aston Martins in Monaco and jet set to exotic locations around the world! ;)

"MI5" are UK based.

Tirytory Jan 12th 2014 1:24 am

Re: Wages in the UK
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 11072320)
I agree they are more like starting salaries.

The staff nurse salary is not a starting wage, I was only on a grand more after 10yrs, although important to note I never had the chance to apply for a job with a band up so salary scale was capped, but them band 5 makes up the majority of the workforce..

bats Jan 12th 2014 1:54 am

Re: Wages in the UK
 

Originally Posted by Tirytory (Post 11074791)
The staff nurse salary is not a starting wage, I was only on a grand more after 10yrs, although important to note I never had the chance to apply for a job with a band up so salary scale was capped, but them band 5 makes up the majority of the workforce..

The radiographer one isn't starting wage either even allowing for overtime and London allowance being included in that sum.

colchar Jan 12th 2014 2:59 am

Re: Wages in the UK
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11074412)
Yes but they get to drive Aston Martins in Monaco and jet set to exotic locations around the world! ;)


Nah, that is MI6 whose remit is international security. MI5 is internal security so they are stuck in the UK driving little Fords or whatever.

colchar Jan 12th 2014 3:02 am

Re: Wages in the UK
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11074417)
Not much better in Canada.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tabl...bor93a-eng.htm

Once you get outside the cities and large towns people here earn a lot less.

This thread has made me realise how detached people on this forum are from the economics of reality.



The Canadian government's info is out of whack as they have really strange groupings for various careers. If you look through their occupational classifications you'll find yourself shaking your head wondering how in the hell two occupations can be grouped together when they have nothing at all to do with each other.

And the stats you linked to cover the entire country which puts them out of whack as well as people in a small town in the Maritimes will not earn the same as someone doing the same job in the GTA or the Vancouver area.

colchar Jan 12th 2014 3:03 am

Re: Wages in the UK
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11074421)



So it is nearly double in Canada then.

withabix Jan 12th 2014 3:16 am

Re: Wages in the UK
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11074411)
Also I noticed in the UK that other than fuel and property pretty much everything else is cheaper on my last 6 visits all in the last 3 years.

Conversely, I find that most things are cheaper in Canada, apart from a fairly limited list which includes bread, dairy products, alcohol and mobile phones.

Most other things that we buy range between the exchange rate equivalent and £1 = $1.

Property is more expensive in Canada, unless you are specifically comparing with SE England.

A recent HSBC study shows Canada as having the most unsustainable house prices in the world.

scrubbedexpat091 Jan 12th 2014 4:02 am

Re: Wages in the UK
 

Originally Posted by colchar (Post 11074907)
The Canadian government's info is out of whack as they have really strange groupings for various careers. If you look through their occupational classifications you'll find yourself shaking your head wondering how in the hell two occupations can be grouped together when they have nothing at all to do with each other.

And the stats you linked to cover the entire country which puts them out of whack as well as people in a small town in the Maritimes will not earn the same as someone doing the same job in the GTA or the Vancouver area.

Depends on the job, for some jobs someone in Vancouver could very well be earning the same amount, especially in the low wage jobs.

JamesM Jan 12th 2014 8:14 am

Re: Wages in the UK
 

Originally Posted by colchar (Post 11074907)
The Canadian government's info is out of whack as they have really strange groupings for various careers. If you look through their occupational classifications you'll find yourself shaking your head wondering how in the hell two occupations can be grouped together when they have nothing at all to do with each other.

And the stats you linked to cover the entire country which puts them out of whack as well as people in a small town in the Maritimes will not earn the same as someone doing the same job in the GTA or the Vancouver area.

You are correct it is grouping the entire country. The same as the other survey.

That is how the surveys work they take an average of the whole country and for any comparison to be marginally fair it has to be a like with like.

Well understood.

JamesM Jan 12th 2014 8:16 am

Re: Wages in the UK
 

Originally Posted by colchar (Post 11074909)
So it is nearly double in Canada then.

Ermmmmm.....ok if you are another one of those who think that a dollar is the same as a GBP then it is nearly double.

I just hope you are not in charge of any investment or finance decisions in your household or anywhere else.

JamesM Jan 12th 2014 8:21 am

Re: Wages in the UK
 

Originally Posted by withabix (Post 11074927)
Conversely, I find that most things are cheaper in Canada, apart from a fairly limited list which includes bread, dairy products, alcohol and mobile phones.

Most other things that we buy range between the exchange rate equivalent and £1 = $1.

Property is more expensive in Canada, unless you are specifically comparing with SE England.

A recent HSBC study shows Canada as having the most unsustainable house prices in the world.

What you say may well be accurate.

My experience is Toronto versus South East England and in my experience most consumer goods are cheaper in the UK.

Given that Ontario and South East England hold the bigger populated areas of the two countries I'd argue it has more weighting on any national statistic than sparsely populated areas or country towns.

But the reality is wages in Canada are in the majority of circumstances in synchronisation with wages in the UK if you are looking at the stats on the whole. Simply put for people on this forum to ludicrously proclaim statements like people in Canada earn more than 3 times people in the UK is simply not true and unbacked by any facts or statistics what so ever.


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