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Great live updates CT. I ought to probably check Twitter too.

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I think that people that wish to kill other people will use whatever excuse they can: It's because of the way people treat my religion; it's because of the way people treat my sexuality; it's because of the way people treat my race; it's because my mother didn't give me a Mars bar when I was six, etc.

Whether any such excuses stand up to scrutiny is another matter.

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You can send a crazy killer to jail, but you can't send Society to jail.

'I blame society!' is just a way of avoiding blame by pretending that everyone is guilty. It's Lefty 101 for avoiding blame for the consequences of their actions, like 'But everyone does it!'

The really crazy thing is that these people believe that murdering soldiers will achieve anything other than a crackdown on them. But, then again, that's probably what they want.

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@VassyKapelos is one source, there are more but I couldn't find them again. All DND bases in the country are closed to civilians effective immediately, and if anyone has tickets to the Leafs- Senators game you better check before leaving.

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AC, MG:

Some people are born killers, agreed. Some will kill out of sadism, psychopathy or some other mental derangement.

The difference here is that seemingly normal people are persuaded or self-persuade to kill. In that case it is worthwhile to dig a little deeper.

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The difference is the ideology, these aren't kids who've been bullied at school or some donkey whose girlfriend left him, it's a holy war and these self described true believers are being urged to do their part. Why do they become jihadis?, because they empathise with the struggle of their counterparts around the world. I expect more, possibly IRA style bomb attacks or even suicide bombings in the future.
They haven't cancelled Malala Yousafzai's ceremony of honourary Canadian citizenship today, yet.
Confirmed second shooting inside Rideau Centre so there may be more trouble.

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But why do they empathise? Why when faced with accepting their own country (with all it's faults) as most of us do, why do they turn against it? Want to destroy it. Why is their allegiance to their homeland not strong enough to suppress their empathy with attackers?

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Not a good thing to wake up to. Hard to tell these days if something like this is a random sicko upset with something, or a terror plot.

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Random 2 or 3 sickoes one of which is dead.

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Shard I can only guess that the promise of eternal salvation is as popular as ever. I wonder what happened at the Rideau Centre Mall, probably lots of people in there and the stores locked down & cops running all over. A co-ordinated attack like this smacks of Nairobi and Mumbai. Oh we've had shootings and attacks on police in Regina recently but definately no terrorism.

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Live updates:

Ottawa War Memorial shooting

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Come on Canuckians...does this shooting event not deserve its very own thread? Being in Canada, and all.

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Tens of millions of seemingly normal people have been persuaded to kill throughout the 20th century. There's nothing special about it, modern militaries have turned it into an art form, particularly since WWII.

The blame doesn't belong to 'society', but the people who persuade them and the people who do it.

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Correct about the military. It is killing sanctioned by society - no more, no less. If it were to be undone, the solution would be determined by society.

Who are these "people who persuade them"? Why is their think different than other subsets or the whole? It comes down to understanding society again.

To glibly dismiss society in some kind of Thatcherite fashion (and even her case her words have been said to be misinterpreted) is to limit your thinking and understanding.

The blogger wrote an interesting piece and the phenomena of radicalisation is becoming increasingly relevant to us all, as today's events in Ottawa show.

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It's nothing to do with 'society'. It's to do with them.

Pretty much every time something bad happens and someone yells 'It's society's fault!' you can guarantee we'll see more restrictions on those who weren't responsible, and little impact on those who were. Because it's a deliberate attempt to avoid putting blame where it really lies.

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Time to ramp up the war on terror even more....

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Not sure where we're going with this. Obviously it's not a blanket "fault of society" but neither is it "purely the individual"...the individual is influenced by many things. I believe there are things in society which exacerbate problems such a radicalization. Poverty, discrimination, lack of opportunity, bad education, religion.

Just watched the BBC film I originally referred to. It was very good, and reasonably balanced. Amongst other things film maker drew a similarity between the Islamic extremists and the EDL, groups of disenfranchised males. Have a watch if you have time (and access).

BBC Three - My Brother the Terrorist

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That will have to wait until I get some free wifi but I will watch it.

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Does anyone of you have clue about why you're all talking about terrorists rather than mental cases?

The latter get a lot less attention in Canada these days.

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What's the diferance?

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Lots of dosh can be appropriated for 'security', not so much for mental health.

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exactly.

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You two could start a new thread on mental cases if that what float your boat ?

This one is about murdering (obviously mentally disturbed) Islamic bastards and now they are operating here in Canada so best you get used to it.

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Eh?

I think the major threat to Canadian democracy will come when Harper abolishes Parliament (which he's made irrelevant already) and declares a Canadian Caliphate.

Guess who he fancies as Caliph.

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The irony here is just as Western liberals wring their hands about Western intervention stoking up grievances amongst Islamists, terrorist attacks on home soil will harden public opinion on using military force against the threat.

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Self radicalised Islamic man attacked cops in New York with an axe today, see link, it's not made up, honest

http://m.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29753347

It's like everyday some one is being targeted by a mad Islamic convert !!! Again not related to any of the other attacks, so another lone wolf, making it so much harder to police. ������

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So the BBC actually say.. "Police in New York are investigating whether a man who attacked two officers with an axe before being shot dead was linked to Islamist extremism".. a typical unnecessary conflation of Scary Monsters with mentally ill people.

Other people, slightly less mentally ill, like yourself, only see two or three words and then run and hide, or possibly buy a long gun.

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No I saw the TV Version of the news and they said he had links with terrorist groups via Internet postings.

I could not find a up to date link showing that, sorry.

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Sun TV I assume?

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Self radicalised is what I just read on CBC, no known links to any terror groups but had been studying up on it. Doesn't matter now.

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What TF is sun TV?

CBC then CNN, are those channels up to your higher than normal people's standards sir ???;)

Edit: I Googled Sun TV, why would I watch Indian TV? Is this your choice of TV news?

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I heard he once tweeted about hating western decadence. I'm surprised they hadn't already locked him up to be honest.

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Police are describing it as a terrorist act.

I think we should expect to see these two groups conflate.

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It doesn't matter how ill he was; he attacked 4 men carrying guns with a hatchet. What do you think an appropriate response is? You'll have plenty of time to debate the root causes as the next one, then all the other attacks happen. The fact that IS called for an uprising and then this started happening is probably more than coincidence, imo.

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There have been many cases of S.J.S., going back over the years.

I'm not sure how these nutjobs would have been dealt with under the sharia law system, anyway. Sounds like half of them would have been crucified, rather than groomed for official IS martyrdom :unsure:

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SJS?

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That's an unhelpful term. Terrorists are deeply committed to their ideology. The rest are psychotics who may or may not choose Islam as a badge under which they wreak havoc. I think the distinction is important, because we will always have psychotics amongst us, but it is possible to create a world without terrorists.

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One thing about random potential extremists that are not associated with any known groups and going under the radar is they could easily be in jobs that have access to secure environments such as airports.