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And so it begins

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I can hear music

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A cheery video. Haven't seen it before, though, and used to like the Doors so interesting to see and hear.

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OK we go in and slaughter the bloody lot of 'em....but which lot... yes... I know the IS lot.... but in which country? There seems to be a number of countries to choose from, all of which are countries that we have so far had a meddle with, to no great success and we could add Libya to the mix too....Algeria seems to have been remarkably quiet of late, so something should be stirring there too surely?

We don't seem to have done a really great job of helping any of these people run their countries having helped them overthrow their violent dictators do we?

Now we have Qatar and the Gulf States are now blaming the West for the rise of IS.

I'm not saying we're doomed, but by gum we do seem to be in a bit of a bloody mess don't we?:blink:

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That's what happens when you trust crazy people to live in harmony. Does anyone really think that the U.S., UK or NATO would drop bombs on random places without provacation?

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Israel shot down a Syrian fighter jet along its border today.

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Clearly a big negative in this attack IS business is that Israel is going to be highly opportunistic.

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What I couldn't understand is why they used F-22 raptors in the second phase of the attack, one of the reporters asked that question at the press conference and got a very vague evasive answer from the General.

The F-22 is an air superiority fighter, why on Earth were they using it in a ground attack role? And they're based in the US and Japan as I recall, why fly them all that way?

Just seems to me like they wanted to show off. Massive waste of money.

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Could not have said it better for all of us:thumbup:

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Don't think that it is being used in the ground attack role like a Stuka or a 1944 Typhoon. It is probably armed with laser guided missiles that instead of shooting down other aircraft with, it places squarely through the roof of the appropriate tent! I would guess it has been thrown into the mix so Lockheed can include the phrase "combat proven" in it's F-22 sales brochure! Plus flying at Mach 2 with a couple of refueling pit stops on the way they could easily take off from Japan after breakfast, do the dirty and easily be home for tiffin.
Another example of the US armed forces motto "all the gear, no idea".

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It's probably because the Syrian military has at this stage only acquiesced to the attacks and not explicitly supported the action. Considering that some of this will take place over Syria there is a risk that Syria will become a combatant and then the USAF will need as sophisticated a plane as it has available.

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The Syrian airforce has been staying out of the way for the last 2 days while US and Arab coalition forces have been bombing the daylights out of targets in Syria with all sorts of warplanes and ship launched cruise missiles. According to Swedish reporter JoMa Sommarstrom last night Kurdish forces dislodged ISIL fighters from the Kobani area of Ayn-al-Arab in Syria just over the Turkish border after heavy fighting but capturing territory and holding it are two different things - separating combatants from civilians requires boots on the ground.

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It's going to be a long conflict. At best I think that the West can weaken the "network of death" but as Isis shows it will transform into something else somewhere else.

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If we do put boots otg then God help anyone who gets captured, I can't see them acting in a civilised manner toward captured western forces personnel

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By executing up to 250 Syrian soldiers at once and possibly 1700 captured Iraqi soldiers during their advance they've made that clear. Killing civilians who refuse to convert also sends a message. It's more personal than turning people into red mist with tons of explosives but other than that dead is dead. I suppose it's largely a matter of perspective and degree.

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France won't take this latest atrocity lying down. France will go, quite rightly, ballistic. The headline today on one of the papers was "Executed for Being French" really bad.

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Rightly so. Poor guy had only been in Algeria one day and loved North African culture.

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Were was this and who? I'm working and on foot today so not seen this.

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Oh gee, that's not nice !!

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It could happen to any of us, any where. That's the problem.

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Iraq uncovers ISIS plot to bomb subways in U.S. and Paris | CTV News

According to Iraq ISIS members in custody there, have said ISIS apparently has plans to bomb subways in the US and France, but the US and France have not confirmed any the intel.

Apparently those arrested who provided the information are US and French nationals in Iraq who went to join ISIS.

I am really starting to re-think my trip to California in November, I know I shouldn't let it ruin plans for me, but flying when these sorts of threats are coming out, well makes me nervous.

"Today, while I'm here I'm receiving accurate reports from Baghdad that there were arrests of a few elements and there were networks from inside Iraq to have attacks ... on metros of Paris and U.S.," al-Abadi said, speaking in English. "They are not Iraqis. Some of them are French, some of them are Americans. But they are in Iraq."

Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/iraq-unc...#ixzz3ELriohkG

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Being able to commit acts in a jurisdiction that permits one's presence and being able to do so in another jurisdiction that is actively hunting you are two very different situations.

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It might be a better way to go than Ebola. Quicker anyway. :unsure:

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A letter in the Daily Mail, apparently...

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/defau...0Explained.jpg

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The French/Algerian relationship, always dodgy at the best of times, is going to be dreadful. I wouldn't like to be an Arab in France at the moment. The problem is I wouldn't fancy being French in a great array of countries at present either.

These deaths have all been atrocities, but this poor French chap was just a poor bloody tourist, it seems so very disgusting.

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Hamilton boy runs away to ISIS now possibly dead

Mohamud Mohamed Mohamud: Hamilton youth reported killed as ISIS fighter 'not the son they knew' - Latest Hamilton news - CBC Hamilton

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Interesting. A similar age kid from Brighton is in the UK press right now, having been killed in an air strike. It's that age isn't it, very impressionable.

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What's the difference between ISIS and ISIL?

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That seems about right to me.

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Mohamud Mohamed Mohamud???? WTF?

In Scotland, somebody called Alexander Alexander would be nicknamed Double Ecky. This fellow must have been called Triple Proph.

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One of them is about to become WASWAS and WASWAL isn't funny.

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An "expert" on the radio said these kids get little battle training and thrown in at the deep end in the hope they get killed. Then they post pics of the Brit/Canadian ect who joined and gave their life.

Like a sick advert to radicalize western youths

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CBC this morning said known to friends as Mo3

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Need to start educating kids about the perils of radicalism from a young age (early teens).

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Or maybe just accept that some people have different views upon world events.

Which is preferable: the teenager that turns his back on his "countrymen" and chooses to fight against them or the teen that chooses to fight against his former "countryman" because he is told by his government to do so?

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Perhaps we also need to start educating our leaders about the perils of imperialism and trying to get their way through force.

Who remembers French Fries being mockingly renamed "Freedom Fries"?

Still, at least we can all laugh about it now...

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Ha ha. This wins the nonsense award for September.

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A very stupid term, even at the time. It was hard to educated Bush and Blair, they spoke to a higher power. However I think the majority in the UK were against Iraq 2, I certainly was, but we were overruled by irrational leaders. Only Robin Cook really took a serious stand on the matter.