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Re: Ukraine
Originally Posted by Novocastrian
(Post 11154323)
Thing is, Russia also holds Germany and Western Europe by the balls on the gassy stuff. The pipeline only goes through Ukraine.
Also gas demands should decrease in the coming months due to warmer weather (hopefully) and so would put less of a strain on EU reserves if called upon. If the west allows Russian intervention then they're inviting them to establish another Soviet Union type.. Union? The Chinese would also see it as a precedent in its territorial disputes. Would also make a mockery of UN security council.. permanent member invading another country. Would be an Iraq situation again, only Russia can't pretend to be overthrowing a dictator to stop wmd's. |
Re: Ukraine
Originally Posted by burks
(Post 11154338)
True.. although Norway could step in and replace some of that demand. They have been having somewhat of a price war with Russia over the last year or two.
Also gas demands should decrease in the coming months due to warmer weather (hopefully) and so would put less of a strain on EU reserves if called upon. If the west allows Russian intervention then they're inviting them to establish another Soviet Union type.. Union? The Chinese would also see it as a precedent in its territorial disputes. Would also make a mockery of UN security council.. permanent member invading another country. Would be an Iraq situation again, only Russia can't pretend to be overthrowing a dictator to stop wmd's. :goodpost: |
Re: Ukraine
Originally Posted by burks
(Post 11154338)
If the west allows Russian intervention then they're inviting them to establish another Soviet Union type.. Union? The Chinese would also see it as a precedent in its territorial disputes. Would also make a mockery of UN security council.. permanent member invading another country. Would be an Iraq situation again, only Russia can't pretend to be overthrowing a dictator to stop wmd's.
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Re: Ukraine
There are a few months to sort it out before seeding the 2014 crops; Ukraine is the breadbasket of Eastern Europe and grain production already faces enough challenges from the weather and transport inefficiency (same as here). A lot of people could be in the unenviable position of starving next year as well as freezing if this turns into war. Unlike all the other bankrupt satellites the USSR was glad to be shed of, the Ukraine is very valuable property. The easy way would seem to be partitioning off the naval base and surrounding area as a Russian territory until their lease expires and maintain the rest of Crimea as part of Ukraine with ethnic Russians guaranteed equal rights. The last thing we need in this world is another war and if anyone tries to threaten Russia's Black Sea fleet there could be a big one and they have all the tools they need to fight it right there. China just does what they want anyway; this conflict shouldn't change what they do at all.
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Re: Ukraine
Originally Posted by burks
(Post 11154338)
True.. although Norway could step in and replace some of that demand. They have been having somewhat of a price war with Russia over the last year or two.
Also gas demands should decrease in the coming months due to warmer weather (hopefully) and so would put less of a strain on EU reserves if called upon. If the west allows Russian intervention then they're inviting them to establish another Soviet Union type.. Union? The Chinese would also see it as a precedent in its territorial disputes. Would also make a mockery of UN security council.. permanent member invading another country. Would be an Iraq situation again, only Russia can't pretend to be overthrowing a dictator to stop wmd's. The US will not be playing the worlds policeman for at least 3 years, for better or worse. |
Re: Ukraine
Originally Posted by caretaker
(Post 11154489)
There are a few months to sort it out before seeding the 2014 crops; Ukraine is the breadbasket of Eastern Europe and grain production already faces enough challenges from the weather and transport inefficiency (same as here). A lot of people could be in the unenviable position of starving next year as well as freezing if this turns into war. Unlike all the other bankrupt satellites the USSR was glad to be shed of, the Ukraine is very valuable property. The easy way would seem to be partitioning off the naval base and surrounding area as a Russian territory until their lease expires and maintain the rest of Crimea as part of Ukraine with ethnic Russians guaranteed equal rights. The last thing we need in this world is another war and if anyone tries to threaten Russia's Black Sea fleet there could be a big one and they have all the tools they need to fight it right there. China just does what they want anyway; this conflict shouldn't change what they do at all.
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Re: Ukraine
I'd agree with Oink, warm water bases have always been critical to Russia, all their northern bases freeze up in winter and require massive ice breaking efforts in the months prior and after winter.
Russia has always been touchy about warm water bases and have in the past demonstrated they are prepared to go the distance to secure access to them. |
Re: Ukraine
I'd venture a guess if any large scale war broke out with Russia and the west, the world isn't going to be a pleasant place to live for a while.
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Re: Ukraine
Originally Posted by gozitanguygoinghome99xx
(Post 11154170)
Canada :rofl: Besides southern B.C, the whole country is flat, ugly and cold :D
Pictures I've seen of Nova Scotia and New Foundland are quite nice as well. Don't need mountains to have beauty, and plus mountains become old when its all you see for decades upon decades...lol |
Re: Ukraine
If they go to war Vodka prices will escalate, Vodka riots will scar the bars and clubs, we will be doomed, I look at the bigger picture and weep
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Re: Ukraine
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 11154654)
Cold yes, a good part of Canada is, but I'd not say its ugly, some less pretty then others obviously, but I found parts of So. Ontario to be quite pretty, and parts of the prairies have their own beauty as well.
Pictures I've seen of Nova Scotia and New Foundland are quite nice as well. Don't need mountains to have beauty, and plus mountains become old when its all you see for decades upon decades...lol |
Re: Ukraine
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 11154654)
Cold yes, a good part of Canada is, but I'd not say its ugly, some less pretty then others obviously, but I found parts of So. Ontario to be quite pretty, and parts of the prairies have their own beauty as well.
Pictures I've seen of Nova Scotia and New Foundland are quite nice as well. Don't need mountains to have beauty, and plus mountains become old when its all you see for decades upon decades...lol |
Re: Ukraine
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11154476)
Given the history of Ukraine / Ukraine SSR it's not quite the same as China invading an independent country. Particularly when there is a section of the population that is calling for it.
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Re: Ukraine
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 11154648)
I'd venture a guess if any large scale war broke out with Russia and the west, the world isn't going to be a pleasant place to live for a while.
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Re: Ukraine
Originally Posted by gozitanguygoinghome99xx
(Post 11154780)
How do you think it would affect us here in Canada, or say people in the UK or the rest of the European Union ?
It would be idiotic and self destructive for the US or EU to start anything with Russia. |
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