dbd33

Yes, exactly.

Almost Canadian

OK. I suggest you look at the casualties from the US Civil War as an indication of the number of lives that may need to have been taken to attempt such a change. Of course, the actual numbers would depend upon how far one was prepared to pursue such a campaign and, of course, the longer it goes on, the more casualties one would expect.

I don't believe that the events of January 6, 2021, were an attempt to overthrow the government. I accept that others do.

Shard

It's hard to make sense of your position here AC. Presumably you do accept that the election was legitimately won by Biden. And you will be aware that Trump contested this and was doing everything within his power to recount the votes in his own favour. On January 6 he incited a mob to disrupt the confirmation, and had they been successful in causing that confirmation to be disputed, power would have remained with Trump. Does that not constitute an attempt to retain power by illegal means ??

Atlantic Xpat

What were they doing in the Capitol on Jan 6th if they weren't trying to overthrow the government? I mean, many/all of them believe that Biden is a front for a baby-eating, satanic, pedophile ring & one imagines that if they'dve actually come across Mike Pence, they might well have hung or shot him while livestreaming it to their fellow Q devotees. Or were they merely a bunch of rowdy tourists on a day out in DC that got out of hand?

Almost Canadian

I accept this.

I accept this too. He/those on his behalf made applications to various institutions to have recounts/the counts validated, in accordance with the processes available to him.

He made some comments. I don't believe that the comments that I have seen attributed to him incited people to storm the Capital. I accept that some of those that did may have believed that that was what he was suggesting.

At this time, I don't as I don't believe he wanted anyone to stop the proceedings occurring in the Capital. My position may change based upon what the investigation turns up. Time will tell.

Shard

Thanks for setting out your position. You seem to afford Trump a very wide benefit of doubt !

Almost Canadian

Not really. I simply read his words as a sensible, non-partisan, person would. I think that Trump was a poor loser but I don't believe he wanted anyone to storm the Capitol or that anyone would based upon what he said

Shard

I'm beginning to think you haven't actually listened to his rally speech on January 6th !

Atlantic Xpat

This smacks not too faintly of "good people on both sides". Trump is a narcissistic psychopath. He incited the crowd deliberately to attempt to overturn the vote count. Do your research sheeple.

BristolUK

You excel yourself. Compare the casualties of a civil war with those of a single event such as what happened at the Capitol.

Are you really serious about that?

That's almost as funny as your "there will be no second wave"

Almost Canadian

Once again, you demonstrate why the words in my signature are correct and why I usually don't engage with you. I simply stated that I didn't believe that the events of that day were an attempt to overthrow the government and, since that time, you and Bats have asked me to talk about numbers, (ignoring the comment I made regarding weapons) twisting what I stated and then sought to accuse me of doing something similar.

Almost Canadian

It appeared to me that most of it was simply him spouting about how he believed the vote was not a valid. Which I accept was bullshit.

Very little of it was about any form of specific action and the references to "fight", which some wish to suggest he incited the events that followed, when taken in context, suggested nothing of the sort.

IIRC he was suggesting that the politicians in the Capital "do the right thing".

However, I accept that I may be naive, so I would ask you to set out the actual text you believe justifies the allegation that he incited the storming of the Capitol, so that I may stand corrected. Not simple sentences, but the paragraphs that surround those sentences.

kimilseung

I see that you accept that some of his supporters thought he wanted them to act, I am not understanding why it need one persons authorization for it to be an attempt to overthrow the legitimate election process for the President. If those involved were trying to get the votes thrown out then isnt that enough for it to be such an attempt. I am not following why it would require Trumps authority.

I would like to know what you thought Trump's meaning was when he was demanding that Pence act to throw the votes out, an action that he does not have the ability to do, in law in the circumstances that existed. Or what you think Trump's meaning was when he recently said that Pence made a tragic mistake in certifying the election (I am assuming that none of us here think that Trump actually believes the election was fraudulent). Or what he means when he says of Pence "You can be a patriot or you can be a pussy" on his role on Jan 6th.

BristolUK

But you were the one who introduced the numbers aspect.

You're wriggling again.

Danny B

They were just letting off some steam and getting in some cardio
(Actually, weren't three of the deaths linked to heart attacks & strokes by over exuberant Trump supporters?)