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Jan 28th 2021, 4:29 pm
#736
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Well, there were many people out there who could have, for example, decided that racial segregation was wrong but it took a brave person like Rosa Parks to galvanise the moment. If it weren't for people like Rosa Parks, or Emmeline Pankhurst, or Nelson Mandela, or countless others, most people will simply shrug their shoulders, agree that something should probably be done, and get on with their lives as though nothing has happened. We need agitators to keep us from complacency.
Governments are not acting, that's the point. Or not acting quickly enough. You're in Canada, I bet you could go out today and buy yourself a V8 hemi truck for commuting to work, getting sub-20mpg probably, and nobody would so much as bat an eyelid.
Governments are not acting, that's the point. Or not acting quickly enough. You're in Canada, I bet you could go out today and buy yourself a V8 hemi truck for commuting to work, getting sub-20mpg probably, and nobody would so much as bat an eyelid.
Jan 28th 2021, 5:04 pm
#737
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It won't take 100 years to phase out fossil fuel completely, or at least to a point where it is a negligible proportion of our energy use. It'll happen much quicker than that.
Jan 28th 2021, 6:28 pm
#738
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The transition from horse to car was driven solely by convenience and cost. If we rely on convenience and cost as the drivers for the transition from fossil fuels to electric then it could well take many decades. The point, as people like Greta are tying to make, is that we don't have the luxury of that time. We need governmental, legislative and regulatory action to drive the transition much more quickly.
It won't take 100 years to phase out fossil fuel completely, or at least to a point where it is a negligible proportion of our energy use. It'll happen much quicker than that.
It won't take 100 years to phase out fossil fuel completely, or at least to a point where it is a negligible proportion of our energy use. It'll happen much quicker than that.
Only 15 or so countries have put hard dates on phasing out fossil fuel new car sales. I bet the USA won't be until at least until 2060, that's almost 70 years after the first hybrid was available. I do hope this new Tesla Truck & Tesla Lorry takes off and converts farmers and truckers in the US of A.
Jan 28th 2021, 7:18 pm
#739
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1- I could charge at home, which isn't currently possible.
2- Electric cars were affordable, which they currently are not.
But prices do seem to be coming down as the technology matures. Doesn't really matter what is saved over time with electric, the upfront costs are still somewhat high.
BC has the goal of no more fossil fueled powered car sales by I think 2040, but only time will tell if they meet that goal.
Jan 28th 2021, 11:11 pm
#740
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I would gladly trade a gas powered car for electric if
1- I could charge at home, which isn't currently possible.
2- Electric cars were affordable, which they currently are not.
But prices do seem to be coming down as the technology matures. Doesn't really matter what is saved over time with electric, the upfront costs are still somewhat high.
BC has the goal of no more fossil fueled powered car sales by I think 2040, but only time will tell if they meet that goal.
1- I could charge at home, which isn't currently possible.
2- Electric cars were affordable, which they currently are not.
But prices do seem to be coming down as the technology matures. Doesn't really matter what is saved over time with electric, the upfront costs are still somewhat high.
BC has the goal of no more fossil fueled powered car sales by I think 2040, but only time will tell if they meet that goal.
Not everyone has the luxury of charging at home, you are lucky living in Kelowna, I think they have 20 or so charge locations all over the city. It's just like pumping gas but takes longer. Find one near a supermarket and by the time you come back you will topped up.
The thing that scares me most about buying an EV is planning road trips so that I do not run out of power, I hate it when my fuel tank goes to 1/4 left, can't imagine the stress it would cause me knowing the nearest charge is 45km away and I only have 30km of range.
Jan 28th 2021, 11:37 pm
#741
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New cars are never affordable, let alone new EV cars. There a lots of used EV's on the market though, these Nissan Leafs aren't too bad for city driving.
Not everyone has the luxury of charging at home, you are lucky living in Kelowna, I think they have 20 or so charge locations all over the city. It's just like pumping gas but takes longer. Find one near a supermarket and by the time you come back you will topped up.
The thing that scares me most about buying an EV is planning road trips so that I do not run out of power, I hate it when my fuel tank goes to 1/4 left, can't imagine the stress it would cause me knowing the nearest charge is 45km away and I only have 30km of range.
Not everyone has the luxury of charging at home, you are lucky living in Kelowna, I think they have 20 or so charge locations all over the city. It's just like pumping gas but takes longer. Find one near a supermarket and by the time you come back you will topped up.
The thing that scares me most about buying an EV is planning road trips so that I do not run out of power, I hate it when my fuel tank goes to 1/4 left, can't imagine the stress it would cause me knowing the nearest charge is 45km away and I only have 30km of range.
Yes long trips are always a worry as well, seems doable with good planning but still risky it seems.
We did look at leaf used one a couple years ago, at the time the batteries seemed not so great and range not so great, but I haven't looked into it since then, I just don't want to fuss with having to find random chargers then go find something to do for whatever long it takes to charge, getting gas is still faster, and we wont be buying a car until the current one is done, and so far likely has a few more years at least, maybe a decade who knows.
Jan 28th 2021, 11:51 pm
#742
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New cars are never affordable, let alone new EV cars. There a lots of used EV's on the market though, these Nissan Leafs aren't too bad for city driving.
Not everyone has the luxury of charging at home, you are lucky living in Kelowna, I think they have 20 or so charge locations all over the city. It's just like pumping gas but takes longer. Find one near a supermarket and by the time you come back you will topped up.
The thing that scares me most about buying an EV is planning road trips so that I do not run out of power, I hate it when my fuel tank goes to 1/4 left, can't imagine the stress it would cause me knowing the nearest charge is 45km away and I only have 30km of range.
Not everyone has the luxury of charging at home, you are lucky living in Kelowna, I think they have 20 or so charge locations all over the city. It's just like pumping gas but takes longer. Find one near a supermarket and by the time you come back you will topped up.
The thing that scares me most about buying an EV is planning road trips so that I do not run out of power, I hate it when my fuel tank goes to 1/4 left, can't imagine the stress it would cause me knowing the nearest charge is 45km away and I only have 30km of range.
I was looking at the leaf as Adelaide has quite a good selection of places with chargers around the place - https://www.cityofadelaide.com.au/tr...tric-vehicles/ - plus I could round trip to most places on a single charge.
Jan 29th 2021, 12:35 am
#743
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Driving an electric car long-distance in Canada is going to be a lot like finding cell phone coverage ...........
huge areas with no service.
There are hundreds of miles where there will be not electricity to provide charging stations.
huge areas with no service.
There are hundreds of miles where there will be not electricity to provide charging stations.
Jan 29th 2021, 12:52 am
#744
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All the current charging locations in Canada according to the Canadian Government, a little over 6,000 in total.
All types.
Looking at the Nissan website for the leaf, doesn't look like its an ideal car for long trips or even road trips.
Up to 149 miles and up to 249 miles depending on battery size, the 249 miles is comparable to our car on the highway, we can do 250-300 miles between fill ups.
All types.
Looking at the Nissan website for the leaf, doesn't look like its an ideal car for long trips or even road trips.
Up to 149 miles and up to 249 miles depending on battery size, the 249 miles is comparable to our car on the highway, we can do 250-300 miles between fill ups.
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Jan 29th 2021, 2:23 am
#745
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All the current charging locations in Canada according to the Canadian Government, a little over 6,000 in total.
All types.
Looking at the Nissan website for the leaf, doesn't look like its an ideal car for long trips or even road trips.
Up to 149 miles and up to 249 miles depending on battery size, the 249 miles is comparable to our car on the highway, we can do 250-300 miles between fill ups.
All types.
Looking at the Nissan website for the leaf, doesn't look like its an ideal car for long trips or even road trips.
Up to 149 miles and up to 249 miles depending on battery size, the 249 miles is comparable to our car on the highway, we can do 250-300 miles between fill ups.
The same trip in an electric car with a 200 mile range would require about 22 charges, each charge is about $10 from what I have gathered online. There are some savings for sure, but like Scilly said, until Canada has the charging infrastructure in place, families who road trip each year will not be interested in making the switch to EV.
Oct 14th 2021, 8:40 am
#747
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Oct 14th 2021, 3:19 pm
#748
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Oct 14th 2021, 8:19 pm
#749
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Oct 14th 2021, 10:27 pm
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