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The Mail is as right wing as the Guardian is left wing....thats my point....there doesnt seem to be impartiality anymore

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I dont think you can get anymore left wing than Corbyn! Thats my point about the Guardian.... yes there are counterweights, but not really an impartial newspaper....they all carry opinions instead of just the news.

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True, but you could still read his book..

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I'm reading Louis Theroux's. It's pretty good.

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They carry both. News and opinions. Depends which parts you read, but given the quality of the opeds in the Guardian, I can see why someone might just stick to those.

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But it's not as simple as that. There is one view in the mail and one view only.

I just pointed you in the direction of two articles - one by a regular guardian columnist advocating accepting Boris' deal and another co-written by someone on the political right also arguing to accept Boris' deal, while the general guardian stance is against it.
Brexit; in or out? and they are arguing both for and against. Can you get more even handed?

Are you just not bothering to look because you're worried you'll have to change your opinion?

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But because Trump et al are very right wing compared with, say, Enoch Powell, the BBC looks leftist in comparison when, in fact, it's no more leftist now than it ever was. I suggest that the parade of conservative newsreaders, such as Sissons, confirms that it's not in any way part of a socialist plot.

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Hopefully this Twitter link works, gotta love Meggie Foster :lol: she is the UK equivalent of Sarah Cooper.

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Who is Sarah Cooper?

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Consequences of the many examples, past and present, of liberal Ministers demonstrating that they were entitled to their entitlements.....
Should Trudeau go too? Personally, I believe he should.

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There's something funny about a finance minister being called Bill. :lol:

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Trudeau inherited his position, a bit like the Queen, and I can see why people might not care for that. However, the leader of the opposition embezzled funds to support his children's participation in a cult and still has his job. A Conservative government would be more corrupt, not less, than a Liberal one, so it's not obvious how that would be better.

In any event, financial corruption is an accepted feature of government in Canada, Chretien, Mulrooney, Harper, all had their fingers in the till. We have to look at their record on other matters in order to choose between them.

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Chrystia Freeland has been chosen to replace Bill Morneau as finance minister.

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But Harper prorogued Parliament, and Harper lost a bunch of Supreme Court cases and Harper did this and Harper did that? Was Harper ever investigated and found guilty of ethics breaches? But Duffy et al.

Oh look Trudeau has prorogued Parliament. Oh look Trudeau has been found guilty twice of ethics violations and is under investigation for a 3rd time along with his ex Finance Minister. SNC Lavalin & WE Charity et al.

They are all as bent as each other when in power but the sheep keep voting for them and expecting different results. BTW I don't vote as I don't trust politicians full stop.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lib...ment-1.5690515

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I think Trudeau's doing ok but Julie Payette should be on the way out.

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Thats what 36 Celsius heat does to peoples brains. Found guilty of 2 x ethics violations but he's doing OK. Well yeah I guess he hasn't been found guilty of criminal offences so nothing to see here.

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Are you calling me out?

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WTF !?!

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Why WTF? Seems a pretty sensible appointment to me. Freeland's early career in journalism included periods as a correspondent for the FT and the Economist, rising to become a section editor for the FT and editor for its Russian and eastern European coverage, then the managing editor for FT's New York bureau. Subsequently she was a senior manager for the Thompson Reuters newswire service. That ought to demonstrate (probably far better than a career in the banking industry, which IMO gave Morneau a rather lopsided view of some of the issues) her economics credentials. She's been a minister since the election in 2015, serving in three departments that have a bearing on the finances of the Federal government - international trade, intergovernmental affairs, and foreign affairs. That seems to me a bit like the career trajectory of a future prime minister.

What's your objection to Freeland's appointment - other than simply that she's an appointee of Trudeau?

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I don't have any issue with Freelander as a politician or even a potential PM. She seems a bright educated woman. Nevertheless, I would expect a finance minister ought, at very least, to have a solid grounding in economics. Journo on the FT doesn't quite cut it.

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A history of working as a vaguely humorous columnist is apparently a solid enough background for being Prime Minister. Journalism is the new path to the top.

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Better than reality tv host.

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Oh, c'mon, no serious country would do that...

Or elect an uptight school-marm from Etobicoke, for that matter..

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History would strongly disagree with you. Sure, Bill Morneau has a MSc in economics, but someone like Jim Flaherty, widely seen as a mostly competent minister of finance, had no academic background in economics.

In the UK, it's even more stark: Geoffrey Howe was a lawyer; Nigel Lawson read PPE; John Major left school at 16 with three O levels but still made an averagely competent chancellor. Norman Lamont was an economist (fat lot of good it did him, or the country..). Ken Clarke was another lawyer; Gordon Brown a historian; Alastair Darling yet another lawyer, George Osborne another historian. Philip Hammond was another PPE-ist, so gets some credit (like Lawson). So too does Sajid Javid, who studied politics with economics. So the person with the most "thorough grounding" in economics is Norman Lamont, under whose watch Britain crashed out of the European Exchange Rate Mechanism. Some endorsement, that.

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At last the Conservatives have confirmed what has been known for years,their leader is a Tool.

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:rofl:

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WE no more, at least in Canada. WE Charity is closing up shop in Canada and laying off its employees and selling its property in Canada.

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Even hit the Graun

We Charity closes Canada operations after scandal linked to Trudeau family

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...trudeau-family

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He is prepping for an election I think.

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Trudeau? Can he call an early one, did you not just have one?

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Elections can be called early, and having a minority government increases the chances of early elections.

There is a throne speech on September 23, and Confidence vote, if the vote fails it could trigger an election.

He say's he doesn't want an election, but I am not entirely sure about that.

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Did not know, seems with all the dirt out there he might want to give it some time.

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Well Conservatives can't force an election on their own, they would need the votes of the NDP (at least) and NDP are too broke to contest a federal election right now. Even then the Conservatives are behind in the polls and the likely outcome is another Liberal minority. I don't see anyone wanting an election right now.

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One of those we may be in a bad situation bit so are our opponents and everybody sits on their hands.

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Not wanting an election doesn't mean other parties will support the Liberal plan, NDP has a list of must haves apparently before they will support the Liberals, but maybe JT can pull it off and avoid an election.

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I generally don't believe a word he says, so likely an early election. The electable alternatives aren't great but I wouldn't be upset if we were to see the last of Justin Trudeau. His smugness knows no bounds.

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For all his bluster as the newly elected leader, I seriously doubt Erin O'Toole would relish an election any time soon. His positioning for his leadership election (not as socially conservative and frothing loon as Leslyn Lewis, not as red-tory as Peter MacKay) is unlikely to sustain a large national vote in a general election: he'd likely carry the same seats in the prairies, but really doesn't have broad appeal outside the conservative heartlands. It's clear from the vote counts in the leadership election that he won support largely from Lewis' second-preference votes after she was eliminated; this tipped him over the winning line after MacKay had been ahead in almost every province and territory through the first two rounds. He would need to soften his positions on a number of social issues - and bring his caucus of socially conservative MPs from AB and SK along with him - and he'd need time to do that.

Jagmeet Singh had a disastrous election last year, losing ten seats from the already-reduced number he had inherited from Mulcair, itself down from the Orange Wave that had pushed the NDP to official opposition status under Jack Layton. The party has been haemmorhaging members and funds, and don't appear to be in any fit state to fight an election.

Added to which, of course, Parliament hasn't actually sat much since the last general election; reduced functioning through the early part of this year and then the summer recess have meant that it's government stuff (and, of course, the We Charity scandal) that have been making headlines, rather than parliamentary politics. For sure, people are fed up with Trudeau, but it's my impression, from where I sit in a marginal Lib/Con riding in suburban southern Ontario, that there would be a lot of push-back against any party that forces a confidence issue and catapults the country into another election before a greater semblance of normality returns.

I also get the impression that, in the main, people think Trudeau's actually done a reasonable job of leadership through the coronavirus pandemic. Yes, they're fed up with the crap that goes along with cronyism and the "Ottawa bubble" but that doesn't actually affect anybody on a day-to-day basis in the real world, and there's a strong sense that the other lot would be no better. But that would likely be the case whatever political colour the government wears: here in ON, despite a lot of misgivings about the same sort of cronyism, and strong criticism of his education minister in particular and his tergiversations over the back-to-school policy, many people who would never have voted for Doug Ford think he, too, has done pretty well steering us through the current crisis.