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Free speech optional according to Trudeau ? :unsure:

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Context? Link?

If you're referring to Trudeau's comments on the French terrorist attack in relation to the high school discussion of the Charlie Hebdo cartoons, then your words are a gross mischaracterization of the Canadian government's position. What Trudeau said wasIn other words, freedom of expression is a right. But rights ought not to be separated from the responsibilities that come with them.

Of course, there are commentators who seek to play that up into something it is not. The first such reference I find with a quick google is an Ezra Levant rant on Rebel Media, in which the opening paragraph contains such a glaringly false premise - equating a parliamentary "division" (a term carried over from the Westminster system of physically passing through a divided lobby) with the concept of divisive rhetoric - that the whole of the rest of the piece is meaningless.

If that's what you've based your comment on, I would strongly suggest that you stop reading it - or, if you must, at least try and find some semblance of balance before commenting.

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No idea about Ezra Levant and I don't think I've read any opinion pieces on this. However, you did identify the correct topic and the exact quote. Whilst I don't believe in absolute freedom of speech, I do believe in the freedoms put forth by Charlie Hebdo and confrimed by Macron, and it's these that Trudeau appears to be sniping at rather than supporting.

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Not exactly Trudeau however another corrupt member of his Liberal Caucus
This evening I have advised the Prime Minister’s Office and the Speaker of the House of Commons that I am stepping down from the Liberal Caucus. I made an error in judgement by employing my sister in my constituency office, and I have remedied the situation, but this does not excuse the error I made

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/...b623bfac53d6c1

Surprise surprise the CBC is not allowing comments on this.

But Harper, Bev Oda $16 orange juice, Duffy trying to pay back money etc etc

Any wonder why some won't vote.

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Seems to be a fairly minor issue in the big picture.

Anyhow she will still be sitting MP and still be voting with the Liberals, so not like anything changes.

I always find it amusing, I screwed up, so I will leave the party, but stay in my seat collecting my paycheck.

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They are in the Toronto section.
Minor independent MP probably not big enough news nationally ;)

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Ha ha - the Russian pranksters got him good this time :lol:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55062943

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1 March 2018

Justin Trudeau stands by decision not to tax web giants like Netflix, Google

30 November 2020 Liberals announce as of 1 July 2021 tech giants such as Netflix and Amazon will now be subject to GST/HST (well customers in Canada will be paying it).

https://globalnews.ca/news/4056954/t...etflix-google/

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One of these days one of these companies is gonna go, eh we don't need Canada adios amigos.

I don't buy anything from google, Amazon just products that are already subject to GST and PST, and eh netflix would add a couple dollars a month extra, but Netflix is nearing my cut off point to where its not worth having, one thing when it was like $9/month but these days, not so much, not enough of what I want to watch, and too many netflix originals that simply don't interest me, they have basically become online version of cable.....:rofl:

Never believe a politician, if you do you will be disappointed. In political world 2018 was a lifetime ago now, plus they have gotten into a fairly deep financial hole due to the pandemic which really couldn't be avoided with the massive loss of employment that occurred early in the year and still hasn't recovered from, so suppose tax revenue either has to go up, or we can expect services to be cut.

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And now she has resigned. Good; don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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Trudeau WILL however get hit by the door as she leaves - for rushing her appointment through without proper vetting. So who is next. Personally I would love to see Chris Hadfield in the job, but I suspect he would say no. One musical ex-astronaut to replace another musical ex-astronaut? Probably not!

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Peter Mansbridge doesn't need the money and Craig Oliver is too old; I like Measha Bruggergrosman, but she probably wouldn't like curtailing her career to take up diplomacy. That leaves Kevin Vickers, younger than me and takes his work seriously. He's been representing HRH in one form or another for most of his life already, and isn't going to embarrass anyone through lack of deportment.

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Pension of $150k a year for life? The older the better then.

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On the contrary, the longer it takes until we start paying it the better. Get Vickers now, get 15 or 20 years of stellar service then 5 or 6 of pension and a dandy funeral.

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I thought they did a five year term?

(love the dandy funeral concept though. Very Bridgerton.)

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Shit, I didn't know that, or about alternating between Anglo and French. There have been some really good Governors General in the past, so I hope the government does their due diligence in picking the next one.

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Question should be why do they get a pension for such a short time in position?

If only us normal folk got such cushy pensions. :rofl:


Why she was ever chosen is another question. A simple background and rederence check should have picked up her past behaviors in the workplace.

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Yes ......... a 5 year term, which can be extended once only (so I believe).

Yes, they do usually alternate between Anglo and French since the Government has been responsible for choosing a new GG. The name is then submitted to the Queen for her "approval" ........... which has never so far been refused. In other words, her "approval" is a formality.

Julie Payette was born in Montreal, hence French-Canadian, and she succeeded an Anglo David Johnston who was born in (I think) Ontario. Before him was Michaelle Jean ...... who could forget her!

Julie Payette did seem to be a stellar choice, I know I silently cheered ......... a woman who had achieved all sorts of things.

I guess the problem was that Trudeau did not do his due diligence on her behaviour and rapport with ordinary mortals.

I've met some very brilliant people in my lifetime, and I suspect that she might be like a couple of those ................ a high achiever and perfectionist. The ones I knew could get very impatient with others who did not manage to do a job to the high standard that they expected.

It's called empathy!

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All she had to do in that job is follow the same instructions the old girlfriend gave me before her work Christmas party; show up on time, don't get drunk, don't insult anybody, and don't eat all the crab dip. If she was brilliant Payette wouldn't have screwed that up. I met a fellow at the party under the same rules as myself, and we drank and chatted right in front of the crab dip, and ate quite a bit of it.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...0a1a3cbe0f.jpg

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Being brilliant or highly talented also doesn't excuse someone from treating others poorly, sure she may excel in her career, but that doesn't excuse her behavior.

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No, it doesn't excuse her .................. except it is a little bit like being on the autism spectrum where the person just does not understand the niceties of social contact, although it is possible to teach those niceties, with a lot of patience.

Note that I am NOT saying she is on the spectrum in ant way, means or form, just that she just might not recognise how to behave to and with people.

I was pointing out that I had met very highly intelligent people who acted as she did.

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I would then guess that the next candidate for Governor General will be somebody form an Anglo background and possible male.

I've actually met Julie Payette once personally, in a totally different capacity than GG. I had come to know her also as a high achiever and a perfectionist and a specialist in her field, as you described. What I also noticed about her is she was often pushing others in front of several others on certain knowledge she expected others to have, even though these matters were not within their professional expertise and she had surprisingly absolutely no feeling for that. For somebody having spent some time on the space station I would have expected more interpersonal skills, but that's more my opinion based on my observations. That behaviour portrayed rang some bells when I've red the reports of the accusations against her. The rest I certainly can't comment on, but some things she was accused off sounded as if it had some truth to it.

As much as I value her scientific work, I think in the end it was a personality issue. As a GG I would rather have picked somebody with a background in law than a scientist.

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Next GG ................. Anglo yes, male not necessarily.

The GG before Michaelle Jean was Adrienne Clarkson, born in Hong Kong, and brought to Canada as a child.

Of interest ............ the first female GG was Jeanne Sauve, mid-80s to ca 1990 if I remember correctly. She had achieved all other sorts of "firsts" in her career.

The first Canadian GG was Vincent Massey back in the early 1950s.


I personally like the idea of Chris Hadfield ........ apart from being female ;) , he ticks all kinds of boxes, including seeming to be very empathetic :nod:

Jody Wilson-Raybould???? First First Nations woman, empathetic, understanding. But??????

Retired Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin ............ now she'd be great!!!


Note:-........... your experience with Julie Payette seems to be very similar to my experiences with super-intelligent people. Basically some of them seem unable to understand others, or to have any empathy with someone struggling.

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It may also have been the people Julie Payette was working with, or "had to work with" and what kind of level of knowledge they had and how they felt and not Her Excellency. After all, she wasn't working in a scientific community any more and probably not everyone she was working with was a well rounded individual..... I also had the experience in Canada that the "I am offended culture" is often a bit too much and the one who raises that subject first, has automatically the right of way......

Chris Hadfield will probably be a good and interesting choice. However I do have hesitations for any scientist, physician or any kind of technical engineer to take that role. I'd prefer somebody with a legal background as it's probably more fitting for the role. Scientists, physicians or technical engineers are meant to be in a different field, it'll be a waste of their talent, I think.

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We don't need an astronaut or a lawyer for a largely ceremonial position. My vote goes with recently retired journalists and newscasters, and maybe the occasional ex-ambassador, used to moving in a variety of social circles, world-wise and able to interact with everyone. I've known quite a few media people, and you might meet the odd producer who's a bitch nasty, but never a nasty news anchor.
Mistakes have been made appointing undeserving people to the Senate, so getting one bad GG was probably to be expected.

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Looks like it might be more than just verbal abuse and possibly crossed over into unwanted physical contact as well.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jul...hall-1.5887108

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So she offers a half-baked apology without admitting she's impossible to work with, but leaving the door open to pinning it on her assistant (who also resigned).
"Everyone has a right to a healthy and safe work environment, at all times and under all circumstances. It appears this was not always the case at the Office of the Secretary to the Governor General. Tensions have arisen at Rideau Hall over the past few months and for that, I am sorry."
'The past few months' would seem to indicate she doesn't acknowledge her actions over the past few years, which led to the report that came out 6 full months ago. The similar circumstances that led to her leaving her last 2 jobs should have indeed got her removed from consideration for the GG position at the short-list stage. Now, even if Trudeau makes at least some token effort at apology for picking her, the opposition will make hay out of it. Damage to the government is limited by other pressing business like the pandemic and the economy, but any appointments Trudeau makes now will be scrutinized twice as hard. He should have gone and had a word with her when the allegations first came to light, and since HR swept it under the carpet initially, that department should have been reorganised as well. Too bad she gets the nice pension, but at least she's been publicly disgraced and won't be working for us anymore.

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Liberals trying to cover something up over the sexual misconduct issues in the military?

https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...ary-misconduct


OTTAWA — A parliamentary committee is set to conclude its study into allegations of sexual misconduct in the Canadian military after a Liberal motion to do so passed.

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Blocking witnesses looks bad. Their excuse that they're out of time;
"Vandenbeld said the committee has heard around 25 hours of witness testimony and is concerned that if final ones aren’t heard from this week, its recommendations won’t be ready before summer recess." is lame for a case at this senior level.
None of the other parties are going to let go of it and the news is ready and waiting.

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25 hours of testimony is nothing really, and a silly excuse, and if this is an issue in the military it needs to be brought to light and rectified, not swept under the rug.

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I don't think it can be swept under the rug. No matter what recommendations and punishments come out, some of the witnesses still want to be heard, despite what the committee says, and the media is tooled right up for this. They've just covered an inquiry into sexism in the RCMP so probably don't have to change any production details but location.

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Shocked I tell ya. :sarcasm:

No not really, not surprised nearly every Liberal MP would be against dental coverage.

https://ipolitics.ca/2021/06/16/libe...l-care-motion/

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Anybody regretted voting for the Libs yet? Granted they voted for their local rep and not Trudeau. There again who do you vote for or become one of the they are all as bad as each other so spoilt ballot or cant be arsed to go out and vote.

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Disappointed in the Liberals - they abandoned the promise to scrap FPTP, they are pushing through bills nobody asked or voted for like C-10, and have done nothing to address house prices rising completely out of reach. But yep all the parties are pretty much pick which neoliberal poison you want. Even the NDP are barely centre-left these days.

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Less bad is a better option than bad and a leader the rest of the world mostly respects is better than one ridiculed.

It's not saying much but it's saying something.

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I wonder if he's going to have to sack Harjit Singh Sajjan. He's been under a bit of a cloud, beginning with his embellished description of his role In Command and Control in Afghanistan and continuing through the seemingly endless sexual harassment problems in the armed forces culminating in top Generals playing golf with one of their peers after he came under investigation. He's the Minister, and his senior officers are embarrassing his boss and the CAF, and the buck has to stop somewhere. I think every party has to do damage control during their terms, but the RCMP problems and the Governor General falling from grace and now rapey Generals create a nasty pattern.

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There certa9inly seems to be something rather rotten at the top of the Canadian Forces. Singh's failure to grip this and take action leads one to believe that he's part of the cultural problem (being a former military officer himself). Whether Trudeau will sack him is of course another matter. I doubt it. Poor optics.

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This should be interesting to watch unfold.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7959540/h...to-discipline/

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I guess you're right, his bio still looks way too good to go under the bus for failing to stop it all, but as Minister he is supposed to stop it all. Degree of damage to the government could depend on what happens to those officers, but it's still one more fiasco. Trudeau refused to nominate Vance for NATO commander a year ago, so he retired in a huff after he and Trudeau had several confidential conversations, so I wonder if the inappropriate relationships that came out 6 months later were already known. If Sajjan was the one who told Trudeau last year and that was as soon as he knew, I don't suppose anything should happen to him.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7614063/j...ration-honour/

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A parliamentary committee has called for a freeze on all promotions and salary increases for the military’s top brass until they can be screened for past incidents of inappropriate behavior.

https://www.680news.com/2021/06/18/f...t-committee-2/