Tonight
Dec 31st 2008 | 8:28 am
#301
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Re: Tonight
Yes, I look at the 'Post' daily.
There is a bit of 'The Mail' about the paper (it is owned by the same people, I believe) in that it's a bit sensationalist but the incidents do happen for them to get reported.
A 'glassing' is still a glassing no matter how big the headline is.
There is a bit of 'The Mail' about the paper (it is owned by the same people, I believe) in that it's a bit sensationalist but the incidents do happen for them to get reported.
A 'glassing' is still a glassing no matter how big the headline is.
Dec 31st 2008 | 8:54 am
#302
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From: Moncton, NB, CANADA
Re: Tonight
This sort of thing?
A residential area, broad daylight, totally random, perhaps racially motivated but could they tell when the assault began?
Clearly not just a case of 'cheeky young whippersnappers' is it?
A residential area, broad daylight, totally random, perhaps racially motivated but could they tell when the assault began?
Clearly not just a case of 'cheeky young whippersnappers' is it?
Dec 31st 2008 | 8:55 am
#303
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Re: Tonight
Well I'll tell you, then maybe you'll understand a little better 
The sort where gangs of youths gather, spitting and swearing outside the local off-licence, where they exchange drugs, or even knives maybe!
This was even endorsed by our very own "Jackie Smith" for shop owners to switch on this unit to disperse teenagers and it works!
Case studies show, that the "pitch" is so, that it can only be heard by teenagers - not by old folk, or babies alike. As their hearing pitch is lower
Clever design. But what is laughable, is that you'd seriouly think I'd like this blasted out at old folk and kids
as if!
Assault, or no assault on thugs. I don't really care about them. If it dispearse's them quickly? Which it's been proven to do, then so be it!
I trust you now understand the point better?
Y
PS> Ask Tiny, she lives amongst this lawless lot!
The sort where gangs of youths gather, spitting and swearing outside the local off-licence, where they exchange drugs, or even knives maybe!
This was even endorsed by our very own "Jackie Smith" for shop owners to switch on this unit to disperse teenagers and it works!
Case studies show, that the "pitch" is so, that it can only be heard by teenagers - not by old folk, or babies alike. As their hearing pitch is lower
Clever design. But what is laughable, is that you'd seriouly think I'd like this blasted out at old folk and kids
as if!Assault, or no assault on thugs. I don't really care about them. If it dispearse's them quickly? Which it's been proven to do, then so be it!
I trust you now understand the point better?
Y
PS> Ask Tiny, she lives amongst this lawless lot!
If you listen to a noise thats greater than 80 dB it can, and does, cause hearing loss. Toddlers and babies can hear at those frequencies. Older people generally can't because the higher frequencies are the first to be damaged and to die off. The hearing pitch is not lower, its just that the hairs in the cochlea are damaged and those are the sounds you are left with.
You can't guarantee that only the thugs will be affected by this noise, and even if you can I think causing irreparable damage isn't right. I am not in favour of violence as a punishment anyway but damaging a sensory organ is not civilised behaviour. Nor is inflicting this noise on animals.
I had yobs outside my house in the UK, bottles thrown through the window. I didn't resort to violence ever, nor did I consider it.
Dec 31st 2008 | 9:53 am
#304
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Re: Tonight
I fear you may be a little out of touch. In Bristol it's as likely any night of the week now and for some years too. I don't see why other cities haven't moved on from it being 'just' a weekend occurence.
It may be a little worse at weekends with larger groups travelling a little further and "making a weekend of it" for stag dos and hen nights, for example, but the same rowdy behaviour is visible any night of the week. Just as the pavement pizzas, trail of smashed bus shelters, upturned rubbish bins etc on the route out of town is visible on any morning after the night before.
It may be a little worse at weekends with larger groups travelling a little further and "making a weekend of it" for stag dos and hen nights, for example, but the same rowdy behaviour is visible any night of the week. Just as the pavement pizzas, trail of smashed bus shelters, upturned rubbish bins etc on the route out of town is visible on any morning after the night before.
Dec 31st 2008 | 9:56 am
#305
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Re: Tonight
The other thing about Canada which is funny, is that "persons" who are suspected of committing a crime, cannot be described as they actually are- e.g if a Somalian is wanted for a bag theft, he /she can only be described as 5ft 4inches tall, dark hair, wearing a white T shirt and jeans.......in other words you are not allowed to mention the ethnicity...it always makes me laugh cos how many people does that describe!!!
Dec 31st 2008 | 10:00 am
#306
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Re: Tonight
Yes, I look at the 'Post' daily.
There is a bit of 'The Mail' about the paper (it is owned by the same people, I believe) in that it's a bit sensationalist but the incidents do happen for them to get reported.
A 'glassing' is still a glassing no matter how big the headline is.
There is a bit of 'The Mail' about the paper (it is owned by the same people, I believe) in that it's a bit sensationalist but the incidents do happen for them to get reported.
A 'glassing' is still a glassing no matter how big the headline is.
Dec 31st 2008 | 10:07 am
#307
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Re: Tonight
In Toronto the police will disclose the ethnicity of suspects but the media choose not to carry it. There was a phase, after a bunch of beatings for DWB and the like, when due to political pressure the police didn't disclose the information. They complained that that hampered them. The compromise is that the information is available for a specific case if you ask but it's not on wanted poster or in news reports.
I have no opinion on this issue, I'm just making the point that Toronto, if not all of Canada, is not free of Human Rights type legislation.
I have no opinion on this issue, I'm just making the point that Toronto, if not all of Canada, is not free of Human Rights type legislation.
Dec 31st 2008 | 12:54 pm
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Re: Tonight
Hi Mike
Don't get me wrong it certainly isn't the sort of place you will get mugged at night, it's also pretty unlikely that you will be burgled. Effectively it is a giant Cul De Sac, with only one exit, that can easily be blocked by police.
However, you start to notice things, lets leave out the double murder that happened 2 streets from me a few months back, it was effectively a domestic. Lots of people have been complaining about their cars being trashed, another person I was speaking to lived next to a "crack house" on the island, and had constant thefts and aggravation.
I read the Montreal Gazette every day and notice that a shooting or stabbing gets 5 lines on page 15. I am back in the UK every couple of months, the same sort of crime gets front page billing on the Daily Mail. I've witnessed many things in Montreal, from really nasty fights, to people trying to steal cars, Bicycles.
Unfortunately these thugs who carry out home invasions, seem to be getting more violent, and don't care about age or if a family has children. It is something that seems to be far more common in this part of Canada than in the UK. I know the chances of being "hit" are tiny but I do worry having 2 young children.
All the best
Jonathan
Don't get me wrong it certainly isn't the sort of place you will get mugged at night, it's also pretty unlikely that you will be burgled. Effectively it is a giant Cul De Sac, with only one exit, that can easily be blocked by police.
However, you start to notice things, lets leave out the double murder that happened 2 streets from me a few months back, it was effectively a domestic. Lots of people have been complaining about their cars being trashed, another person I was speaking to lived next to a "crack house" on the island, and had constant thefts and aggravation.
I read the Montreal Gazette every day and notice that a shooting or stabbing gets 5 lines on page 15. I am back in the UK every couple of months, the same sort of crime gets front page billing on the Daily Mail. I've witnessed many things in Montreal, from really nasty fights, to people trying to steal cars, Bicycles.
Unfortunately these thugs who carry out home invasions, seem to be getting more violent, and don't care about age or if a family has children. It is something that seems to be far more common in this part of Canada than in the UK. I know the chances of being "hit" are tiny but I do worry having 2 young children.
All the best
Jonathan
Best wishes for 2009. The economy and the stock market and employment are on mind lately. Rowdiness and violence is not something I myself see anything of.
Dec 31st 2008 | 1:32 pm
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Re: Tonight
Fortunately it doesn't seem to spill across the border in our direction...EDIT: Found this - http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...omicides_N.htm Was only 340 this year, a few people got let off!
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Dec 31st 2008 | 2:57 pm
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Re: Tonight
Sounds like Disneyland compared to Detroit, 5 miles away from me - think they average around one a day, so 365 ish a year.... Some years it has been as high as 700 Fortunately it doesn't seem to spill across the border in our direction...
EDIT: Found this - http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...omicides_N.htm Was only 340 this year, a few people got let off!
Fortunately it doesn't seem to spill across the border in our direction...EDIT: Found this - http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...omicides_N.htm Was only 340 this year, a few people got let off!
Dec 31st 2008 | 3:21 pm
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Re: Tonight
Exactly... my point being that Montreal is fairly quiet in the grand scheme of North America.... By way of comparison, Windsor has 3 homicides per year - less than 1/100 of the rate of Detroit, the population is roughly 1/5 of that of Detroit.
Dec 31st 2008 | 3:28 pm
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It is quiet nowadays but we had some bad murders many years ago. In 1989 some guy murdered about 17 female engineering students one evening in their university compound. That was a one time event thank god. My guess is most murders here are either domestic disputes or are drug-related.
Dec 31st 2008 | 3:32 pm
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I think that covers the majority of murders anywhere, the numbers of other murders is fairly low.... The high number of murders in Detroit doesn't stop me going there, though I don't make a habit of hanging around the ghetto, even if one is forced to drive through it.
Dec 31st 2008 | 3:37 pm
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Re: Tonight
I used to visit new york city often (8 hour drive) although I haven't been there for 25 years. At least it is vibrant and there is plenty to see and do.
Dec 31st 2008 | 3:48 pm
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Re: Tonight
It has arguably been in decline for a long time.... the "bad" area only covers a small diameter though and the majority of metro Detroit is affluent and pleasant. The ghetto is forgotten America, they'd prefer just to forget about it...
