Originally Posted by brianscottie43 (Post 7107883)

Read the following information in the UK magazine THE WEEK from a column written by one Jemima Lewis:-

New crime prevention on the rise, could be called mood-altering policing. Apparently police in Bolton are going to give out free toys such as bubble-blowers to drunken youth so the childish pleasure will help them forget to beat people up. In Leicestershire police are giving out lollipops to stop people marauding through the streets. For about a year London Underground has been implementing a programme of piping classical music into its stations. At the first station tested robberies were down by 33% and vandalism by 37% in the first 18 months.

I find the word marauding extremely disconcerting. It is probably more of a city thing, because such youths can quickly find places to disappear to and hide, whereas in villages, small towns they are much more obvious. I wonder if this type of behaviour is mainly in the UK, although I suspect not.

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 7090812)

My. What extraordinary things to object to. This is the first I've heard of a problem of anti-semitism in Canada (our office manager once contested a speeding ticket on the basis that the cop was black and so must hate Jews, which is why he got her on the radar, but I think she knew she was trying it on). I've never heard of Jeff Dunham but suggest that British TV has a long history of people dressing in stereotypical costumes and or taking on sterotypical guises. "Mind Your Language" was a show entirely based on that idea, "the only gay in the village" is another unrealistic character.

I think you can find poverty, violence and especially boredom in Canada but racist images on TV? Not so much. Anti-semitism, again not a major issue.

Originally Posted by glenn wilson (Post 7108300)

Great thread......yes the country is fooked......let it burn.......and start over again......

Originally Posted by christmasoompa (Post 7107557)

I'm sorry you feel 'highly insulted' but am completely at a loss as to where in this thread I have said or implied you are exaggerating, where I have demeaned your situation or where I have not validated your concerns? :blink:

Please re-read my posts, taking particular note of the following sentence in my first post:

"Tinytears, sorry to hear you've had such an awful time. Must be terrifying for you."

Then please note all the times I have made it very clear that I am *only* referring to where I live and to my experiences, and to where I have acknowledged that the problems you describe *do* exist in other areas in the UK, but that I am lucky enough to live in one of the many areas that aren't affected.

I'm beginning to wonder if I'm in some bizarre parallel universe where I write one thing but something else comes up on your computer screen!! Just because I've had different experiences from you, and have shared them, does not mean for a moment that I am belittling your experience, and you have nothing but my sympathy. I thought I'd made that clear and also made it clear that I have only been talking about where I live but obviously not!

Originally Posted by tinytears (Post 7083848)

If I had my TWP in place I would have packed a suitcase, called the airlines and hoped on a plane to Canada.

I hate living here, I hate the midless thugs that think it is fine to terrorise the neighbourhood, I hate the local MP and the councillors who came to see us today to assure us they "are on to it" and that they "assure us" that the anti social behaviour is being tackled.

I hate that we can't protect ourselves or our property. I hate that we are innocently driving down a road and have our car egged (a couple of miles from home).

I hate that I can't sell my house because who the hell is going to buy a house no matter how beautiful it is, when there are huge gangs of hoodies drinking outside every Friday & Saturday night. I hate that we haven't had one single weekend in three years when we haven't been kept awake by said mindless thugs.

I hate that these mindless thugs have climbed our 8 foot wall and smashed up our trampoline.

I absolutely hate the fact that at the age of 12 my daughter can't have the freedom to knock on for friends or play outside, just as I give her some freedom, we are tipped off by the police that there are real issues with one boy (known to us and to them) threatening to rape at knife point little girls (the "little boy" in question is 8 years old). I hate that the police do not have the authority to deal with the child in question because "he's too young" and that social services don't believe there are any issues. I hate too that these little bastards are roaming the streets during the days as well as the nights because they are excluded permanently from school and no other school will have them.

I hate that my three kids are upstairs crying at almost 10.30 at night because the thugs are outside and they are scared.

I hate everything about living here. I hate that I can't take my mum and dad with me and my inlaws and my neices and sisters and that these mindless thugs have made my own kids feel scared in their own house.

Oh and I supposedly live in a "nice area" - we are a long way from inner city.

I'm not saying Canada is perfect but surely it has to be better than this?

And I know I'll probably get slated for this post, but do you know what? I don't care, I'm too fed up with this horrible situation I have found myself in!

Originally Posted by jonfrank123 (Post 7109239)

Also the Canada people talk about on here doesn't seem to exist where I am, I live in a major city, there are at least as many murders as London, mixed in with terrifying home invasions. In fact a 64 year old man had the bejesus beaten out of him by some thugs last night in his own home for a few crappy dollars. Lets not forget last summer when a good chunk of the city got trashed by riots.

I live in a peaceful area, in fact it's an island in the middle of the St Lawrence, but since we have been here we've had our fair share of thugs, wrecking cars, nice smashed beer bottles in the kids sandpit, grafitti. I've been in my local corner shop, seen teens trying to steal bottles of beer. We then found out, that the previous tenants of our house were running a drugs grow op.

Also judging by the stories told by friends who have lived here all their lives, it certainly ain't all roses here. I don't think Canada is particularly dangerous, but just no better or worse than the UK.

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 7109084)

Canada? Dull but hardly ****ed.

Originally Posted by Rainey69 (Post 7107952)

Sorry have to do it ......sooooooo funny........., let me put on record that we moved over here last year for much the same reasons as everyone else, i will not be going back........i don't miss the UK at all or anything that it has become. Sure i miss certain stores and the fact i had 2 cities 30 mins away in either direction, but i don't miss all the stuff that made it bad for us....... Within 2 weeks of moving here 3 people were murdered in the town i used to live in, one was an 18 year old girl who had been locked in a flat and beaten to death............I am sorry but i don't want that for my kids......we all deserve to be able to live safley and not be scared to death in our own homes...... enjoy Jeff Dunham....and a happy new year to all.:rofl::rofl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go

Originally Posted by tinytears (Post 7107923)

And therein lies another reason to leave here, the only thing that will alter their moods is having their liberties and rights taken away as they have taken away ours. For example, I have been told that we could end up with a civil action as we are impeding on their rights to stand ourside our home drinking and vandalising.

We were also advised that we are not able to defend our home and our property in any way shape or form.

So rather than giving them bubbles to blow or nice little trips abroad or days out in alton towers, because their parents don't provide these niceties, lets really show them hardship, let me tip a bucket of ice water over them to drown out their noise or to stop them smashing up my plants and kicking down my trees. Let us blast their ears with noise so it is uncomfortable for them to loiter.

One of the other problems is that the police can only move them on and so they become someone elses problem, they can literally spend the whole night every night chasing the kids round the streets. If they take them home either the parents are out or they object because they don't want them hanging around their homes.

This whole place is a mess and giving the bubbles or putting out clowns in the city centres to keep revelers entertained is a complete waste of money and resources - get these thugs off the streets.

Originally Posted by dboy (Post 7109318)

I left the North West (Dukinfield) 20 years ago and it was pretty much the same back then. I was home last xmas and felt very uncomfortable going out for a drink one night. You could feel the tension.

I moved to Vancouver in 1993 after living in the US for 4 years. I am a police officer and while no where is perfect, I've never experienced anything like in the UK.

Good luck

Originally Posted by Yogi-Bear (Post 7111063)

Hi Tiny,

Maybe you should write a direct letter to number 10 marked for the attention of "Jackie Smith" our crime busting home secretary.

You could then explain in detail the sort of things you're having to tolerate, and If it were me writing the letter, I'd challenge her to spend the night with you to experience the event.

I'd also be inclined to send a copy of the letter to one of the "tabloid" papers - say "The Sun" they love all that sort media getting on MP's backs when they don't perform!

Depends how hard your willing to push with this Tiny, as it sounds like the Police are more interested in thugs "human rights" as per usual.

Most Police I know are so frustrated with having to put up with "red tape" in favour of the thug..

Y

Originally Posted by tinytears (Post 7111300)

Well I have written to all and sundry this week but with the exception of the home secretary. I may just do as you suggest though - but the only problem is I'll never sell the house then but then I can't sell it now so does it really matter?

Originally Posted by FlirtyKnickers (Post 7111337)

What about a housing agency...could they buy your house from you?. Someone suggested this on another thread a while back...could that be an option to get you out of that hell hole??:o