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-   The Maple Leaf (https://britishexpats.com/forum/maple-leaf-98/)
-   -   Thatcher dies (https://britishexpats.com/forum/maple-leaf-98/thatcher-dies-793312/)

dg31 Apr 8th 2013 4:15 am
Re: Thatcher dies
 
Originally Posted by lins and Stef McLachlan (Post 10646912)
I know from experience, as an ex copper myself, some of my jobs were far from a barrel of laughs, dealing with murders, blood, assaults, stabbings, suicides, child abuse, car crashes.......if that would be deemed a barrel of laughs you would need to seek therapy
Stef
It was a play on words. FL mis-typed "Cooper" rather than "Copper". Traditionally coopers made barrels.

I certainly wasn't suggesting that the police have it easy.

Former Lancastrian Apr 8th 2013 4:16 am
Re: Thatcher dies
 
Originally Posted by lins and Stef McLachlan (Post 10646887)
The Policing of football games is not met entirely from the public purse, the clubs have to contribute to all security at matches.
Stef
Correct as the Police and Govt basically made them contribute. Now when the EDL, National Front or other groups hold marches who pays the OT?
When you have any major event be it a concert, March, Royal Wedding there is always going to be extra costs for Policing.
Standing between 2 sets of rival fans is no holiday and many coppers have been hurt WHY because those louts are just hell bent on causing trouble.
Most coppers have families as well you really think they enjoy all the aggro that goes along with their job regardless of how well or underpaid they are.
Sure someone has to do their job so be thankful there are those willing to do it.
And Im under no illusion that all coppers are saints either.

lins and Stef McLachlan Apr 8th 2013 4:18 am
Re: Thatcher dies
 
Originally Posted by dg31 (Post 10646922)
It was a play on words. FL mis-typed "Cooper" rather than "Copper". Traditionally coopers made barrels.

I certainly wasn't suggesting that the police have it easy.
Okay....my hackles have gone down again
Stef

Oink Apr 8th 2013 4:21 am
Re: Thatcher dies
 
Originally Posted by lins and Stef McLachlan (Post 10646912)
I know from experience, as an ex copper myself, some of my jobs were far from a barrel of laughs, dealing with murders, blood, assaults, stabbings, suicides, child abuse, car crashes.......if that would be deemed a barrel of laughs you would need to seek therapy
Stef
I think its the cart and the horse argument here. Most plods need the therapy before they enter the force.

lins and Stef McLachlan Apr 8th 2013 4:22 am
Re: Thatcher dies
 
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 10646925)
Correct as the Police and Govt basically made them contribute. Now when the EDL, National Front or other groups hold marches who pays the OT?
When you have any major event be it a concert, March, Royal Wedding there is always going to be extra costs for Policing.
Standing between 2 sets of rival fans is no holiday and many coppers have been hurt WHY because those louts are just hell bent on causing trouble.
Most coppers have families as well you really think they enjoy all the aggro that goes along with their job regardless of how well or underpaid they are.
Sure someone has to do their job so be thankful there are those willing to do it.
And Im under no illusion that all coppers are saints either.
I am sure that there have been times for both of us that we felt that no amount of money could compensate us for the horrors we have seen and had to deal with.

Most Police Officers do the job without a thought for their own safety believing that they are making a difference keeping the public safer.
stef

London-England-Lads Apr 8th 2013 4:22 am
Re: Thatcher dies
 
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 10646925)
Correct as the Police and Govt basically made them contribute. Now when the EDL, National Front or other groups hold marches who pays the OT?
When you have any major event be it a concert, March, Royal Wedding there is always going to be extra costs for Policing.
Standing between 2 sets of rival fans is no holiday and many coppers have been hurt WHY because those louts are just hell bent on causing trouble.
Most coppers have families as well you really think they enjoy all the aggro that goes along with their job regardless of how well or underpaid they are.
Sure someone has to do their job so be thankful there are those willing to do it.
And Im under no illusion that all coppers are saints either.
And we will have to pay once more for her Funeral - My thoughts are with the amount of love / hate for her in this country she does not warrant one. Diana and the Queen Mum - ok, they were loved by many and the nation needed one to heal ( especially with Diana). Does the UK really need this to recover from the death of Thatcher?

MarkG Apr 8th 2013 4:29 am
Re: Thatcher dies
 
Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 10646899)
For the others that many refer to costing the country a fortune, how then did mere privatisation suddenly make them profitable
By, uh, throwing out antiquated working practices and laying off the useless wasters?

Am I the only one who remembers the days when you could have as many phones as you wanted so long as they were black Bakelite and installed by an authorized BT employee after three months on the waiting list?

Former Lancastrian Apr 8th 2013 4:31 am
Re: Thatcher dies
 
Originally Posted by London-England-Lads (Post 10646941)
And we will have to pay once more for her Funeral - My thoughts are with the amount of love / hate for her in this country she does not warrant one. Diana and the Queen Mum - ok, they were loved by many and the nation needed one to heal ( especially with Diana). Does the UK really need this to recover from the death of Thatcher?
Ask yourself the question does their need to be any OT paid even if it is a state funeral for her? She is dead so nobody can harm her;)
There again some group might choose this event to make their statement.

mdizzle Apr 8th 2013 4:34 am
Re: Thatcher dies
 
Also RIP to all those who lost their lives on the Belgrano.

bats Apr 8th 2013 4:36 am
Re: Thatcher dies
 
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 10646885)
No they are not conscripts and some would argue not paid well given the nature of their job.
Everybody knew there was going to be violence due to both the Govts and miners position. Neither were going to back down.
So in view of this what should have been done send in a bunch of teachers, nurses or bankers to separate them?
Where we used as a political tool then that can be argued the same as sending soldiers into Northern Ireland in 1969.
Soldiers are always political tools.

Almost Canadian Apr 8th 2013 4:41 am
Re: Thatcher dies
 
Originally Posted by mdizzle (Post 10646966)
Also RIP to all those who lost their lives on the Belgrano.
What about those on the Sir Galahad?

Jingsamichty Apr 8th 2013 4:41 am
Re: Thatcher dies
 
Before Thatcher, the British people owned the gas companies, the telecom companies, the railways, the mines, the steelworks, the airline, the airports, the sea ports, the water companies, the electric companies, the bus companies...

Now we pay our hard-earned money to the French, the Spanish, the Russians, the Chinese, the Saudis and the Qataris who must be sitting back thinking they can't quite believe what bloody idiots we are.

Good going, Maggie.

Former Lancastrian Apr 8th 2013 4:43 am
Re: Thatcher dies
 
Originally Posted by bats (Post 10646969)
Soldiers are always political tools.
True but would you prefer that you speak English or German?

Almost Canadian Apr 8th 2013 4:47 am
Re: Thatcher dies
 
Originally Posted by London-England-Lads (Post 10646941)
And we will have to pay once more for her Funeral - My thoughts are with the amount of love / hate for her in this country she does not warrant one. Diana and the Queen Mum - ok, they were loved by many and the nation needed one to heal ( especially with Diana). Does the UK really need this to recover from the death of Thatcher?
How many times have the public had to pay for her funeral previously?

London-England-Lads Apr 8th 2013 4:50 am
Re: Thatcher dies
 
[QUOTE=Almost Canadian;10646998]
This was a response to the following post:

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian View Post
Correct as the Police and Govt basically made them contribute. Now when the EDL, National Front or other groups hold marches who pays the OT?

When you have any major event be it a concert, March, Royal Wedding there is always going to be extra costs for Policing.
Standing between 2 sets of rival fans is no holiday and many coppers have been hurt WHY because those louts are just hell bent on causing trouble.

Most coppers have families as well you really think they enjoy all the aggro that goes along with their job regardless of how well or underpaid they are.

Sure someone has to do their job so be thankful there are those willing to do it.
And Im under no illusion that all coppers are saints either.

My response was

And we will have to pay once more (for policing) for her Funeral - My thoughts are with the amount of love / hate for her in this country she does not warrant one. Diana and the Queen Mum - ok, they were loved by many and the nation needed one to heal ( especially with Diana). Does the UK really need this to recover from the death of Thatcher?


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