Students in Montreal - interview
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I saw an interview on TV this morning with a student leader in Montreal. He was asked if he would condemn the recent vandalism. His answer was "I dont have a mandate to condemn it" ?????? ITS AGAINST THE LAW Thats your mandate.
Is it just me? am I getting old? I have never heard such rubbish in all my life, and these people are being university educated, to be what?
Is it just me? am I getting old? I have never heard such rubbish in all my life, and these people are being university educated, to be what?
In my opinion, this strike is disgraceful . My Daughter, a first year Nursing Student at a French CEGEP is now on her 7 th week of Strike ( or is it 8?) lost track... proved to be nothing more than a waste of her time and taxpayers money.
Every Friday, there is a vote to see if the School will continue the strike or return back to school.. last week it was just a margin of 2 % that stopped the students from returning to class. Obviously the kids are getting tired of the strike and many are worried that the winter session will be cancelled altogether. Apparently, this is the crunch week . If the Government wont concede to the students ( or atleast meet with them) then the seesion will be cancelled.Atleast for now, if the kids go to evening classes and do weekend classes, this session will be saved.. This is why the students are resorting to public mischiefthis week, they are panicked .. but this is ridiculous in itself as the more they block bridges and throw smoke bombs in the metro etcc etcc the more the public turns on them.. DONT THEY GET THAT??

And to add to all that , instead of finishing on May 15, the session( if saved) will continue to June 23 ..so the $300.00 they are bitching about , which could have been made by working at a summer job, will be cut short by having to attend school.
Meanwhile, my daughter doesnt go to school and spends the better part of her day socializing with her friends. She attends a French CEGEP , but transferring to Vanier in September.. funny how the English CEGEPS arent striking..
The problem is that the Gov let this go on for way too long, now the students feel that they cant go back as they would have gained nothing and will lose face. Hopefully on Friday, the kids will vote to go back to school.. all over a measly $300.. that responsable parents would pay anyway..
Dont get me going.. cant wait to see her back to school and out of her PJ`S by the time I come home from work!
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Academics 
Apparently with the vast majority of these type of allegedly well educated persons they like to discuss why they think the law should not apply or is unjust and that in their opinion means nothing.
They feel challenging the authorities is part of their mandate and arguing or debating such matters is considered to be a sign of higher intelligence.
There are several threads on BE discussing what the law actually says and who it applies to.
Debate is good and so is challenging but it becomes tiresome after a while.

Apparently with the vast majority of these type of allegedly well educated persons they like to discuss why they think the law should not apply or is unjust and that in their opinion means nothing.
They feel challenging the authorities is part of their mandate and arguing or debating such matters is considered to be a sign of higher intelligence.
There are several threads on BE discussing what the law actually says and who it applies to.
Debate is good and so is challenging but it becomes tiresome after a while.
It's all relative. This is not just about $300.00 this year but a program of tuition fee hikes over the next few years. I actually think the Govnt here is doing the right thing (as opposed to in the Uk) but the nature of protest is wrong - and extreme. Quebec may have cheaper HE than anywhere else in N. America but this is what the population there knows and they're responding to the relative dramatic rise in their way. Public sector workers go on strike when they don't get what they want in financial arrangements, why shouldn't students? Ultimately, they stand to lose out by the protest, not anyone else (as long as protests are reasonable and don't impinge on anyone else - and as I say this one has gone too far). They may in the process get what they want. It's not as inconvenient to you as a garbage strike, is it?
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Aside from the violence and damage to property, how is the "strike" supposed to achieve its end? I understand how removing services achieves its end but how on earth does the fact that students are not attending to their studies impact anyone else?
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I don't know (or actually care) enough about what's going on in Quebec to have a strong opinion, but I will say that in the 20 years I've been a faculty member in ON, my University has been through 3 strikes. Only one substantially succeeded. It did so by getting the general public really, really annoyed with government intransigence.
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Lest you think I’m some kind of fancy boutique fisherman who knows nothing about Dr. Smith’s theory of labour. I went out fishing this morning and it was decidedly cloudy and a bit windy. I braved these conditions with nothing more than a flask of tea and a few rounds of ham and piccalilli sandwiches for sustenance. Life you’ll eventually find young man, is not all beer and skittles.
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We all know you have an issue with academics. However, this is about students. They're not challenging authorities to show people they have a higher intelligence - don't be ridiculous. I have to say these comments demonstrate more about your attitude towards higher education than anything else.
It's all relative. This is not just about $300.00 this year but a program of tuition fee hikes over the next few years. I actually think the Govnt here is doing the right thing (as opposed to in the Uk) but the nature of protest is wrong - and extreme. Quebec may have cheaper HE than anywhere else in N. America but this is what the population there knows and they're responding to the relative dramatic rise in their way. Public sector workers go on strike when they don't get what they want in financial arrangements, why shouldn't students? Ultimately, they stand to lose out by the protest, not anyone else (as long as protests are reasonable and don't impinge on anyone else - and as I say this one has gone too far). They may in the process get what they want. It's not as inconvenient to you as a garbage strike, is it?
It's all relative. This is not just about $300.00 this year but a program of tuition fee hikes over the next few years. I actually think the Govnt here is doing the right thing (as opposed to in the Uk) but the nature of protest is wrong - and extreme. Quebec may have cheaper HE than anywhere else in N. America but this is what the population there knows and they're responding to the relative dramatic rise in their way. Public sector workers go on strike when they don't get what they want in financial arrangements, why shouldn't students? Ultimately, they stand to lose out by the protest, not anyone else (as long as protests are reasonable and don't impinge on anyone else - and as I say this one has gone too far). They may in the process get what they want. It's not as inconvenient to you as a garbage strike, is it?

My comments are directed in this case at student leader who one day might become an academic making a stupid statement. Im all for anyone exercising their legal right to strike but when questioned about the damage and vandalism rather than saying its wrong and should not be happening he says I dont have a mandate to condemn it.
Why does he need a fricking mandate he knows its wrong so just say so.
Any sympathy the students had has now been torpedoed by this statement and therefore the public support is no longer there.
BTW I support further education as I also had children though I can never figure out why some have degrees in Greek Mythology and are working in a financial institution. Was it because they were interested in that particular subject or chose it to make up credits




