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This is just to let expats in Canada know just how things are in England these days, not all sunshine and roses as some believe!!

As a soon to be expat, one of the the best times in England is World Cup time, when we, the English, show our patriotism in droves.

With 3 weeks still to go, the St George's flags are becoming more and more commonly seen flying from cars, vans, people's houses and the Pubs, except that the Pubs where I live have been told they cannot display the St George cross in case they incite racial hatred/abuse from the growing Eastern and Central European, and other foreign communities, thats from my local landlady direct!!

Do we not have a right to support our national team by displaying the English flag in our own country freely without being told not to???

For gods sake can you imagine the Americans being told they cannot fly the stars and stripes, or the Canadians being told they cannot fly the Maple Leaf in case they offend foreigners in their own country.

This is a great time of year to be English at the World Cup, it just makes me both angry and sad to see local councils and government stamping out the English pride on the occasions it rarely surfaces!!! :frown:

Well thats it rant over, c'mon England, fly the St George Cross proudly, support the national team!!! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:


Just found this on todays news
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...icle859734.ece

Unbelievable!!!

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Yes it's a daft ruling, however most pubs around my place in London have the flags flying high.

Football is sh*te anyway.

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The article is about a school.

Who told the pubs that they can't fly the flag?

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Plus it's an article in the Sun ;)



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Yes it is about a school, but just another example of PC gone mad!!!

Local council told the town centre pubs they couldn't fly the flag for fear of inciting the growing population of Polish, Bosnian, Turkish, Russian etc etc.

This may not be nationwide but it is still disgusting, we're in England supporting our national team, flying the national flag, I was walking through the town centre during the last world cup with an England shirt on to go to the bank and was made to feel really uncomfortable as I was being glared at by alot of the locals, it never used to be like this around here, its no wonder people, including myself are leaving.

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Wait until you are an immigrant in a new country. Then you will really know what it's like to stand out in a crowd.

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These stories come out every time there's a football tournament on, and every time, the whole of the UK is flooded with flags.

I wouldnt take any notice- it's a crappy attempt by the press to stir up some trouble....

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As an immigrant in anew country I expect nothing less, as an immigrant its my responsability to fit in

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[QUOTE=mags1972;8584147 Do we not have a right to support our national team by displaying the English flag in our own country freely without being told not to???QUOTE]

As a Scot I never thought I'd support the English on anything :);), but you are absolutely right.
I have a number of English friends, in England, who all feel the same and are all taking the same course of action........they are leaving.
One told me he was told it was okay to fly the Union flag in support of the World cup, but that is totally wrong as it is not a UK team who are playing, it is an English one. Why on earth should the English not be proud of that and support the players?

I can but hope that the David and Nick show will reverse some of this nonsense, but quite how I am not sure.

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Maybe but its a 4 yearly event and it gets worse every time, it simply comes across to the English as we are being repressed in our own country, they should just let the people who want to to fly their flags for the couple of months it takes instead of aggravating things by banning the flags

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[QUOTE=Exilelass;8584497]Exile, right on, I was beginning to think I was alone in this even though I know I'm not.

Thanks for that

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I don't see how flying a fly makes you feel better.
If you want to support the England team then fly the England football flag with the three lions

Or better still read some more on the subject before you spout off about repressed English people

edit, the Sun article is from 2008

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...ds/8697240.stm.

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I don't care what the Met Police say in London, I can tell you that unlike yourself I actually live here and when my locals landlady tells me that her fellow landlords in the town centre have been told not to fly English flags of any type I tend to believe her, fortunately her pub is not in the town centre so we are unafected

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Yes, but why do all the nut jobs have to come to Canada???

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I always thought people were moving to Canada "for the kids"?

On a more serious note, i find it laughable that grown individuals spit out their dummy because a local pub is unable to fly a flag :D. Does it really matter? Probably not. Is the trash of a newspaper trying to fill pages, increase readership, etc? probably.

At least in England you can play football in a park without the health & safety brigade jumping down your neck. Heck, you could even use your flags for goalposts ;)



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There is a quality facebook group I just joined called

"no-one is banning England flags or England shirts you stupid xenophobic gullible fool"

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This kind of thing is why I left the UK. It's political correctness gone mad from so-called do-gooders. Thank goodness we have news sources like the sun where the truth can be told without bias or the distortion of the facts you get from the likes of the BBC.

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Bloody immigrants. Next thing you know they'll be complaining that cheese in England is rubbish and expensive, same with wine. Not forgetting the complaints that the English are bad drivers and can't tell the difference between the Polish or Slovaks.

What is this world coming to.


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That recent BBC report also mentions West Midlands Police saying that no directive has been received, there weren't just comments from the Met police. Why are you dismissing comments from the rest of England when your original post said you were telling us how things were in England now? Do you have any other evidence of how things are in the entire country? Your evidence is based on what your local landlady has been told by other publicans, plus you tell us that as you don't live in the town centre you aren't affected. In support of all this you post a link to a 2 year old article in the Sun newspaper.

The ban was in any case more to do with football hooligans rather than immigrants.

Get some real evidence to support what you say and I might be more inclined to believe you. As it is your post just seems to me to be adding more fuel to the "England swamped by immigrants" hate campaign.

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And the fact that poor Mags won't be able to wave his flag.



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How many immigrants does it require to be 'swamped'? Is it more or less than in a 'drove' - which, as everyone knows, is the standard unit for immigrant counting.

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I think it's more than a "drove" but slightly less than "overrun"



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Football brings the Chav out in most people at World Cup time. When I see the 1000's of fans fighting on TV is the time I tell people I am Australian.

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Hopefully we will see some more of this during the world cup. Now these are proper proud English fans who know what wearing the shirt means :thumbup:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...se-734021.html

"Minutes after the end of the match, the cheers of the 120 or so inside, including several English people, turned to screams of terror when the mob, many wearing English colours, began throwing stones and bricks at the windows."

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Sorry but this is Daily Mail bollocks.
There's a football tournament every 2 years, and every time, we hear the same rubbish about pubs etc being banned from waving the flag. And then everytime, the whole country is flooded with flags, attached to cars, in all the supermarkets, the pubs, etc.

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I doubt very much that anyone has the legal authority to compel anyone to take down a St. George's flag. It is public hysteria gone mad. If any council made such a request (even of a school or other public building) and the occupant refused, I suspect that there would be nothing that the council could do to have the item removed with first making an Application to a Court and obtaining an Order I would suggest that the prospects of obtaining such an Order would be slightly above nil.

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I don't live in England so you can dismiss me as not knowing what I am talking about if you like, but I have several friends who do and I was there less than four weeks ago.
I am totally against hate campaigns of any sort and do not support violence or uncivilised behaviour to anyone,but.............I can understand why it is happening.

The whole of England has not been swamped, but sections of it have been. When you bring more people of another culture into an already existing one, than are already there, you will always create disharmony. The resident culture is under threat and will reject the incomers. It is biological. It is the same as organ transplant medicine. The host will reject the transplant.

We, in Scotland, are now being 'swamped' by the English who are leaving their own country, where they feel like foreigners, to set up home "in the only part of the UK were I still feel British" as one man told me. Trouble is they are changing our society in similar ways to which the incomers to their society changed theirs.

The real issue, as I see it, is not about Poles, Slavs, Portuguese or any other nationals; it is about the number of those nationals and how they do or do not integrate into the English culture to which they have chosen to move.

The English need to be firmer about saving their culture, while being perfectly willing to share it with those willing to work and make a new life for themselves in England.

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"It is the same as organ transplant medicine. The host will reject the transplant."

I believe that there have been a few organ transplants that have worked in recent years.

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You need droves to be swamped, not sure how many in a drove though.

I was talking to Mags but if you see yourself of the same cloth as her then feel free.

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OK

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Sounds like Okotoks, or Vancouver, or <insert Canadian city or large town>

Most of what you say can be likened with many immigrants who write on this board.


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God you guys are great, there's no wonder people don't want to make posts on here because the same predictable group, i.e the majority who've attacked myself and exilelass now ,as she had the audacity to agree with me.

I posted this thread because I was told of the Town centre ban on St George's Flags and it made me angry and sad. I have lived here on and off for the last 38 years and over the last 8 years it has degenerated rapidly.
Exilelass has it bang on when she says not all areas of England are "swamped" but some areas are and it causes public disharmony, well I would class my area as one that is "swamped", not the village where I live but the surrounding areas definately and the impact has been very noticeable.
I know of a lot of English who are unhappy with the situation.

I wasn't aware that I needed hard evidence to back up what I was saying, forgive me I thought I was posting on a public forum not going to court!!!!

I obviously decided to come on here and fabricate stories just for the hell of it, its time for me to go back and wave my flag and writing BS articles for the Daily Mail!!! (That was sarcasm for those who've forgotten)

It is however funny that some of you think you know more what goes on in this country who don't live here anymore than those of us who are still here on a day to day basis just because you have access to the internet. Oh and by the way, theres alot more outside of London to what is now England!

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Your post was 'attacked' because it is bollocks. You can't post that kind of uninformed crap and not expect people to call you on it.

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Indeed. But only because the host is filled with drugs to supress their immune system and thereby stop them from rejecting the organ; which they would do naturally.

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So everyone should stay within 1 mile of where they're born :)

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I think you might be labouring the metaphor a tiny bit here.

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That could be very true.
It is up to us, as immigrants ourselves, to integrate ourselves into Canadian society and not expect it to change to us. I fully believe every culture has the right to observe its own heritage behind closed doors, but once out in the host country, you have to adapt and adopt.

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That is not what I said. :)

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I wasn't using metaphor here, I was using medical science. :)

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"Bollocks", something you obviously know alot about judging from your posts on here.

You arent here, I am, I know what I was told and I've better things to do than make shit up so kindly go annoy somebody who gives a s***!!!