St Georges day
Apr 23rd 2013, 1:25 pm
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Apr 23rd 2013, 1:38 pm
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Re: St Georges day
Last time I checked the St Georges flag/emblem is the official flag of England.
I love the irony in local councils in the UK saying that the residents should be tolerant of others beliefs and cultures yet suggest the St Georges flag not be flown less it offend certain groups.
Yes if we look back at the history the flag was prominent in the Crusades but one has to question the intent of it being flown. Is it being flown to piss off the Muslims or that its celebrating St Georges day?
If the flag is that offensive then perhaps the flag should be changed to something less offensive like pink polka dots on a yellow background.
There again some might find that offensive
Perceived association with the far right
For many years, the Cross of St George had come to be associated by some with far-right groups such as the British National Party, the National Front and, more recently, the English Defence League. Many people consider this association to be unjustified as it is the Union Flag which is predominantly used by groups such as the British National Party.[14] The Cross of St George is often used by far-right groups, usually alongside the individual flags of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. However, the frequent use of the English flag by sports supporters and other groups has gone some way to disassociate the flag from any lingering association with the far-right and the Cross of St George is now frequently flown throughout the country. Despite this, displaying the flag remains controversial to a minority of people in England[15]
Some minorities living in England have stated that they still view the flag with suspicion: during a poll of readers of New Nation, "most black people interviewed said they felt alienated by the flag of St George and still associated it with the BNP".[15] However, many young, non-white people do display the flag, particularly for sporting events .[16]
The banner of St. George, the red cross of a martyr on a white background, was adopted for the uniform of English soldiers during the military expeditions by European powers to recapture the Holy Land from Muslims, and later became the national flag of England.
I love the irony in local councils in the UK saying that the residents should be tolerant of others beliefs and cultures yet suggest the St Georges flag not be flown less it offend certain groups.
Yes if we look back at the history the flag was prominent in the Crusades but one has to question the intent of it being flown. Is it being flown to piss off the Muslims or that its celebrating St Georges day?
If the flag is that offensive then perhaps the flag should be changed to something less offensive like pink polka dots on a yellow background.
There again some might find that offensive
Perceived association with the far right
For many years, the Cross of St George had come to be associated by some with far-right groups such as the British National Party, the National Front and, more recently, the English Defence League. Many people consider this association to be unjustified as it is the Union Flag which is predominantly used by groups such as the British National Party.[14] The Cross of St George is often used by far-right groups, usually alongside the individual flags of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. However, the frequent use of the English flag by sports supporters and other groups has gone some way to disassociate the flag from any lingering association with the far-right and the Cross of St George is now frequently flown throughout the country. Despite this, displaying the flag remains controversial to a minority of people in England[15]
Some minorities living in England have stated that they still view the flag with suspicion: during a poll of readers of New Nation, "most black people interviewed said they felt alienated by the flag of St George and still associated it with the BNP".[15] However, many young, non-white people do display the flag, particularly for sporting events .[16]
The banner of St. George, the red cross of a martyr on a white background, was adopted for the uniform of English soldiers during the military expeditions by European powers to recapture the Holy Land from Muslims, and later became the national flag of England.
Last edited by Former Lancastrian; Apr 23rd 2013 at 1:45 pm.
Apr 23rd 2013, 1:45 pm
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Re: St Georges day
Last time I checked the St Georges flag/emblem is the official flag of England.
I love the irony in local councils in the UK saying that the residents should be tolerant of others beliefs and cultures yet suggest the St Georges flag not be flown less it offend certain groups.
Yes if we look back at the history the flag was prominent in the Crusades but one has to question the intent of it being flown. Is it being flown to piss off the Muslims or that its celebrating St Georges day?
If the flag is that offensive then perhaps the flag should be changed to something less offensive like pink polka dots on a yellow background.
There again some might find that offensive
I love the irony in local councils in the UK saying that the residents should be tolerant of others beliefs and cultures yet suggest the St Georges flag not be flown less it offend certain groups.
Yes if we look back at the history the flag was prominent in the Crusades but one has to question the intent of it being flown. Is it being flown to piss off the Muslims or that its celebrating St Georges day?
If the flag is that offensive then perhaps the flag should be changed to something less offensive like pink polka dots on a yellow background.
There again some might find that offensive
Are you sure some councils have banned it? That sounds like an urban myth.
Apr 23rd 2013, 1:56 pm
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Re: St Georges day
Not sure if they have or how they'd enforce a ban on members of the public from flying them
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Apr 23rd 2013, 1:59 pm
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Re: St Georges day
I've heard similar stories but I don't truly think it's ever been written into law, maybe just stated...
Apr 23rd 2013, 2:02 pm
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Re: St Georges day
According to the DT article I linked to, it's only become popular again since the mid-90's as commercial means to promote beer, greeting cards and tat. IME that's about right. Prior to that it mostly appeared on Anglican churches.
Are you sure some councils have banned it? That sounds like an urban myth.
Are you sure some councils have banned it? That sounds like an urban myth.
Certain councils when challenged have tap danced saying they cant afford a flag or they prefer to fly the Union Jack or Health & Safety reasons.
Just an example
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...gland_and.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-birthday.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-OWN-cars.html
Apr 23rd 2013, 2:08 pm
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Re: St Georges day
I know when I lived in Lancashire the Preston Council banned all it's employees from 'flying the flag' on their desks and vehicles during the world cup.
Not sure if they have or how they'd enforce a ban on members of the public from flying them
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Not sure if they have or how they'd enforce a ban on members of the public from flying them
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Apr 23rd 2013, 2:34 pm
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Apr 23rd 2013, 2:36 pm
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Re: St Georges day
I know when I lived in Lancashire the Preston Council banned all it's employees from 'flying the flag' on their desks and vehicles during the world cup.
Not sure if they have or how they'd enforce a ban on members of the public from flying them
Fly Away
Not sure if they have or how they'd enforce a ban on members of the public from flying them
Fly Away
Apr 23rd 2013, 2:41 pm
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Apr 23rd 2013, 2:53 pm
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Re: St Georges day
Novo, I'm celebrating because I'm still living, breathing and having a relatively good time. Haven't lost my sense of humour and life is good.
If only the bloody weather would warm up.
Apr 23rd 2013, 3:18 pm
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Re: St Georges day
Oh thanks everyone for reminding me it's St George's day - now I don't work I seem to know what day it is (Tuesday) but the actual date often doesn't register. Reminding me means I got to send my brother a happy birthday message before he sends the usual stroppy one saying thanks for forgetting again!!!
So I will be celebrating tonight for various reasons - 1. toasting my brother, 2. blue skies here and slightly warmer, 3. finally getting a new laptop - only about 2 years too late, this thing dies a little more every day, 4. as Steve_P said enjoying being alive and having a good time, and 5 - why not celebrate St George's day and celebrate being English, I personally think more should be done for the day back in UK. After all, the Irish, Welsh and Scots manage to celebrate their days without it upsetting others or coming across as hating other races.
So I will be celebrating tonight for various reasons - 1. toasting my brother, 2. blue skies here and slightly warmer, 3. finally getting a new laptop - only about 2 years too late, this thing dies a little more every day, 4. as Steve_P said enjoying being alive and having a good time, and 5 - why not celebrate St George's day and celebrate being English, I personally think more should be done for the day back in UK. After all, the Irish, Welsh and Scots manage to celebrate their days without it upsetting others or coming across as hating other races.