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I've also seen it used to mean 'Significant Other Half'.

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Ta. You gotta laugh, incha.

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I suppose this would be a bad time to lament the demise of language at the onslaught of txtspk?

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At least it's not double-speak... :p :thumbsup:

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eh?

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and after you've killed it,you have to dispose of said varmint.
4ft plus bloody hole google suggested.if you don't want it being dug up by helpful dog.

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Doublespeak.

Language constructed to disguise or distort its actual meaning, often resulting in a communication bypass. Doublespeak may take the form of euphemisms (e.g., "downsizing" for layoffs) or deliberate ambiguity.

Also sometimes known as politician-speak or PC correctness. :p:p :thumbdown:

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Was thinkng about this the other night actually. The Oxford English dictionary or whichever one it is, adds an amount of 'new' words I think each year, but who gets to decide which ones are here to stay or are just a passing fad?

I mean in Shakespears (or whenever the irst dictionary was ((thinks back to Blackadder and suspects it might have been during the reign of the dumb prince ;))) day, the language was very different and there must have been purists that thought the inclusion of certain new fangled words was a travesty.

So how can you define 'proper' English as language is forever evolving with the times.

I''m not having a go at you either Novo I agree with the whole txtspk bunch of crap issue - however as people spend more and more time online talking to more and more people, it just means you can type quicker.

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I just stick them in the manure pile, barely covered, and have never had one resurface. That may be due to the environment, perhaps you should get a couple of yards of horseshit.

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Am good for a couple more holes yet.Horseshit can wait.

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Fail to see the point to be honest. If people want to shoot with guns at things, JOIN THE ARMED FORCES!

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....but then someone may just shoot back - not so much fun then apparently.

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Much better to shoot and kill an innocent animal and disguise it with the word "sport", so overgrown men can dress up in army like uniforms and crawl through undergrowth. I bet they've all got "call of duty" on the ps3!

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Do the ARMED FORCES let you eat things you shoot?

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Apparently some do;)

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It's a misinterpretation of "engage and disarm!"

On the hunting "thang." My little grade 4 daughter was explaining how in a park in BC the elk had, over the years, eaten much of the young grow in a forest and were now stripping the bark off the mature trees. This was affecting the whole ecosystem. Wolves were introduced (they eat innocent deer). Within 10 years there were more young trees, beavers came back to the area, they dammed the river and otters and mink came back, and salmon started to spawn again.

Sometimes, though, you don't want to introduce wolves in ranch country;), so you introduce hunters instead. With careful management, they can have the same effect.

You may also need hunters to take out a few wolves from time to time, in the first instance, so they don't eat ALL the elk and then start looking for cattle.

It's called balance.

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Only the paras...

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Perhaps you could send some of that "balance" over to the UK then??!!
(You'd need some more army uniforms though for urban hunting and CQB...)

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re the balance thing.

If we didn't have hunters paying for tags then wouldn't we be paying more in taxes for the Ministry Men to cull the animals and dispose of them?

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Consider this situation. ;)

No hunters would require the 'authorities' to employ people to cull animals. The need to employ people would either result in lower unemployment OR greater demand within the current labour market. BOTH cases would result in higher overall spending power (due to increased incomes), the first case would result in lower EI payments allowing the govt to reduce a deficit budget OR increase a credit budget. Higher overall spending would result in increased demand for goods and services, resulting in EITHER further increases in employment (to meet increased demand) or increase in price (to reduce demand and therefore stop demand from outstripping supply).

Increased employment (and therefore wages\salaries) allows the govt to increase Income tax 'take'. Increased prices results in higher GST\PST\HST again going into the Govts coffers.

SO maybe we should stop hunting on purely economic grounds. :rolleyes:

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My head is spinning now

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A little early for the gin, isn't it?

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Indeed, maybe it's too much caffeine

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But at the moment Butch, people pay to hunt and this money goes towards conservation etc. If the authorities paid people to population manage (same shit shinier bucket), the funding for conservation would disappear and the relevant bodies would need to find the wages etc (let alone all the equipment) needed.

Better the way we have it I think ;)








I know you are playting d/a btw

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Quite, the point (that we both make) is which ever angle you 'attack' this from, there IS a counter argument that (most) reasonable people can at least consider even if they dont agree with it 100%.

I (currently) dont hunt, I do however ski. Many people would say that ski 'resorts' and the surrounding infrastructure are destroying the natural beauty and habitats of the mountains.

I drive (as you know) a Jeep Cheroke with a 3.0L Diesel engine. Do I need something that size? (within .5 km of me are two large grocery stores, christ knows how many coffee shops, numerous restaurants, London Drugs, Shoppers Drug Mart, Dominoes, at least three bars...... you get the idea). I could 'survive' without a vehicle at all.

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Gangs and guns on Liverpool's streets

"Disarm" campaign against Liverpool gun and gang culture

Former soldier set up secret gun factories to supply street gangs

Liverpool looks like a good recruiting area for the Army. The gang members will even be able to learn about weapons so they can sell them to gangs after they've left the military. :thumbsup:


Exactly. It's personal choice.

If the government doesn't want us to drive vehicles with large engines, they could force manufaturers to restrict the size of their engines, which would then restrict the size of the vehicle. If government seriously wanted to reduce speeding they could force manufacturers to install speed limiters on every new car.

If the Albertan government (or their agents) were to do the culling themselves, this could result in a ban on most hunting along with a possible reduction in stores which supply hunting equipment.

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However, as these newly employed government cullers are on the public payroll, the government has to put up taxes to pay for them, having simultaneously lost the existing income stream from hunters paying for their tags. The increased tax burden drives businesses away from the jurisdiction and towards a lower-tax regime, resulting in significant job losses in the local economy, further reducing government income in the form of EI and income tax contributions, and further depleting government resources through increased EI payouts.

So maybe we should keep hunting on purely economic grounds :rolleyes:

Oops - should have read to end of thread before commenting. MMC made just this point earlier.

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Realising that the newly formed Govt Culling Team is economically unviable, the federal govt puts the work out to tender. In order to keep costs down the winning bidder culls the animals, selling the meat to various restaurants and fast food outlets, the remaining carcasses are used for various animal by products, the skins are sold and the company makes massive profits and therefore pays ridiculous taxes back to the Govt offsetting any costs incured by the govt :p

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yeah thats exactly what I said :rofl::rofl:

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Then the meat that is sold cannot be deemed fit for human consumtion as no-one is sure what it ate when it was walking around in the wild, and therefore all the wild deer have to be kept in enclosures so that it can be monitored what they eat, then all the animal liberation jobbies will be up in arms because there are no wild deer anymore.............................. :confused:

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And because they're not wild, no-one will be allowed to cull the deer so the population will increase! :p

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and those managed deer will become domesticated and eventually actively farmed, and they'll be stuffed full of growth hormones and kept in feedlots and made to eat corn and pumped with antibiotics and then there'll be a movement to return to "real" grass-fed organic venison as intensive deer farming is bad for the environment and the meat doesn't taste as good as it used to...

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As its government controlled culling, the meat source can controlled and the meat can be inspected, further increasing the jobs created by controlled culling

Healthy deer ; green tag and off to the food inspectors

Weak sick deer; red tag and to the dog food factory

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Why is "government controlled" morally better than individually hunted?

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It's not. The animal is just as dead. In fact it's worse as the practitioners are distancing themselves from the moral decision.

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Not morally better

You can train the government hunter to a high level in a multitude of areas and skill sets, higher than your average hunter will get to voluntarily , get clean kill rates above average hunters, ensure that the process is more controlled, it’s possible to get clean audit trail on the beast concerned to achieve a higher level of confidence in the consumeability of the meat
Investment in techniques and technology to maximize the return in investment can be achieved due to the higher purchasing power of regional government as opposed to the single hunter
This could lead to tagging of herds to ensure that the cull can be statistically analyzed and linked to meat data ensuring future improvements to the process
A controlled route to market can be made that would allow a greater distribution of the meat ensuring maximum price (ship to higher priced city markets, designer restaurants)

Stuff the morals, bring on the Dollar

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If you want to the government to make money from hunting then it should just sell licences on a per animal basis. No need for the government to get any more involved than that.

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Quite. Isn't that fundamentally what happens today?

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Dunno - not a hunter. Hope you're right though, it makes the most sense.

Edit to add: Am late into this debate. Have to confess to not having read it all...

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You're making all that up!:thumbup:

Let's see - how did the professional British army do against the "amateur" Boers, or the professional US army do against the "amateurs" in Vietnam?

Hunting is more akin to guerilla warfare than trench warfare. The amateurs do just fine! They are highly motivated to improve their skills!

Tag all the deer? Dear me! :eek: They need to be wild, not farmed!

Who is going to pay for all this? It works "as is" with the "amateurs" doing it for free, and not even for free - they pay!:thumbsup: