Gangs and guns on Liverpool's streets

"Disarm" campaign against Liverpool gun and gang culture

Former soldier set up secret gun factories to supply street gangs

Liverpool looks like a good recruiting area for the Army. The gang members will even be able to learn about weapons so they can sell them to gangs after they've left the military.


Exactly. It's personal choice.

If the government doesn't want us to drive vehicles with large engines, they could force manufaturers to restrict the size of their engines, which would then restrict the size of the vehicle. If government seriously wanted to reduce speeding they could force manufacturers to install speed limiters on every new car.

If the Albertan government (or their agents) were to do the culling themselves, this could result in a ban on most hunting along with a possible reduction in stores which supply hunting equipment.

However, as these newly employed government cullers are on the public payroll, the government has to put up taxes to pay for them, having simultaneously lost the existing income stream from hunters paying for their tags. The increased tax burden drives businesses away from the jurisdiction and towards a lower-tax regime, resulting in significant job losses in the local economy, further reducing government income in the form of EI and income tax contributions, and further depleting government resources through increased EI payouts.

So maybe we should keep hunting on purely economic grounds

Oops - should have read to end of thread before commenting. MMC made just this point earlier.

Realising that the newly formed Govt Culling Team is economically unviable, the federal govt puts the work out to tender. In order to keep costs down the winning bidder culls the animals, selling the meat to various restaurants and fast food outlets, the remaining carcasses are used for various animal by products, the skins are sold and the company makes massive profits and therefore pays ridiculous taxes back to the Govt offsetting any costs incured by the govt

yeah thats exactly what I said

Then the meat that is sold cannot be deemed fit for human consumtion as no-one is sure what it ate when it was walking around in the wild, and therefore all the wild deer have to be kept in enclosures so that it can be monitored what they eat, then all the animal liberation jobbies will be up in arms because there are no wild deer anymore..............................

And because they're not wild, no-one will be allowed to cull the deer so the population will increase!

and those managed deer will become domesticated and eventually actively farmed, and they'll be stuffed full of growth hormones and kept in feedlots and made to eat corn and pumped with antibiotics and then there'll be a movement to return to "real" grass-fed organic venison as intensive deer farming is bad for the environment and the meat doesn't taste as good as it used to...

As its government controlled culling, the meat source can controlled and the meat can be inspected, further increasing the jobs created by controlled culling

Healthy deer ; green tag and off to the food inspectors

Weak sick deer; red tag and to the dog food factory

Why is "government controlled" morally better than individually hunted?

It's not. The animal is just as dead. In fact it's worse as the practitioners are distancing themselves from the moral decision.

Not morally better

You can train the government hunter to a high level in a multitude of areas and skill sets, higher than your average hunter will get to voluntarily , get clean kill rates above average hunters, ensure that the process is more controlled, it’s possible to get clean audit trail on the beast concerned to achieve a higher level of confidence in the consumeability of the meat
Investment in techniques and technology to maximize the return in investment can be achieved due to the higher purchasing power of regional government as opposed to the single hunter
This could lead to tagging of herds to ensure that the cull can be statistically analyzed and linked to meat data ensuring future improvements to the process
A controlled route to market can be made that would allow a greater distribution of the meat ensuring maximum price (ship to higher priced city markets, designer restaurants)

Stuff the morals, bring on the Dollar

If you want to the government to make money from hunting then it should just sell licences on a per animal basis. No need for the government to get any more involved than that.

Quite. Isn't that fundamentally what happens today?

Dunno - not a hunter. Hope you're right though, it makes the most sense.

Edit to add: Am late into this debate. Have to confess to not having read it all...

You're making all that up!

Let's see - how did the professional British army do against the "amateur" Boers, or the professional US army do against the "amateurs" in Vietnam?

Hunting is more akin to guerilla warfare than trench warfare. The amateurs do just fine! They are highly motivated to improve their skills!

Tag all the deer? Dear me! They need to be wild, not farmed!

Who is going to pay for all this? It works "as is" with the "amateurs" doing it for free, and not even for free - they pay!