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Steve_P Jul 8th 2009 12:28 pm

Re: Something that will no doubt spark controversy....
 

Originally Posted by mandymoochops (Post 7735960)
You eat the female and you mount the male (if you can afford it!) if not you keep the antlers.

You know there are times that I'm really happy to have had that prostate surgery. ;):rofl::rofl:

This would be one of them.;)

mandymoochops Jul 8th 2009 12:29 pm

Re: Something that will no doubt spark controversy....
 

Originally Posted by Steve_P (Post 7735964)
You know there are times that I'm really happy for that prostate surgery. ;):rofl::rofl:

This would be one of them.;)

you know I was in two minds as to write that bit for obvious reasons ;)

fledermaus Jul 8th 2009 1:34 pm

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Originally Posted by Steve_P (Post 7735957)
I have a very good friend who hunts deer annually, he hunts alone no alcohol fuelled mayhem for him.

I am the grateful recipient of what is left in his freezer from the previous year.:)

Thats what I thought was happening, reasonsible respect for the environment. I have no problem with this at all.


Originally Posted by mandymoochops (Post 7735960)
Sorry if I get you wrong here Fled but I think you have contradicted yourself.

If it weren't for the culling aspect an just for the out and out lets go gun em down aspect, then there would be NO tags.

The tags are limited, so it limits the amount of animals that are killed - or culled.

So if there are 11 x more hunters want a moose than there are tags issued surely that shows that the relevant authorities that issue the tags, are keeping numbers to how many they want killed.

And you can't just go and shoot any old moose either, you may be issued a cow or a bull tag depending on what you apply for and are drawn for.

You eat the female and you mount the male (if you can afford it!) if not you keep the antlers.

I can completely see how it would appall some people and i'll reinstate tht I don't believe anyone is right or wrong.

Just wanted opinions.

Maybe I didn't express myself clearly. To me the oversubscription to tags, the holding of draws to see who gets a tag, that there are many, many people who want to shoot these animals, shows that some people only want the glory, the feel, the sensation of killing a moose or a bear. Why else when you can hunt and kill deer, turkey, etc?

I've eaten moose, it was ok, but there are tastier and easier animals to get a license to kill.

There are responsible hunters, I've met some, but the more I think about it, the more I realise that for many it's just an excuse for bravado and chest beating.

DaveLovesDee Jul 8th 2009 3:02 pm

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Originally Posted by Posidrive (Post 7735932)
Not quite right. The full sequence should be:

Remove Brain. Load chamber. Aim. Pull trigger. If aim is good, bullet hits target. :p

Nope. Removing your brain would kill you. Can't do any of the other stuff if you're dead. :p:p

Posidrive Jul 8th 2009 3:58 pm

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Originally Posted by CaptainHook (Post 7736183)
Nope. Removing your brain would kill you. Can't do any of the other stuff if you're dead. :p:p

Then you can't kill the animal, so my version is sort of correct :p

Lord Vader Jul 8th 2009 4:28 pm

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Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 7735119)
But it is the key critical part which separates hunting from other outdoor pursuits

and it the one part hunters spend a great deal of time glossing over, by talking about how they care about the animals, its more humane than farming, how they care about the environment, that its really a social pastime... (Which I find fascinating and also insightful too)

When deep down they know they are just one small step above the sick child that killed his pet for pleasure.

The fact they do it in a social environment allows them to share/deny the collective guilt of giving into to their more primitive urges towards violence against the defenseless

Wow, you are the epitome of ignorance on this subject. You have probably never hunted and likely don't know anyone that does. However you seem think that you are able to judge people of different ages, sex, income levels, education and nationality that spend 1 or 2 days a year hunting as being either blood thirsty, macho, suffering penis envy (ladies included) or just plain stupid. You and a couple others have a misinformed stereotypical image programmed in your head.

dbd33 Jul 8th 2009 11:35 pm

Re: Something that will no doubt spark controversy....
 

Originally Posted by Lord Vader (Post 7736284)
However you seem think that you are able to judge people of different ages, sex, income levels, education and nationality that spend 1 or 2 days a year hunting as being either blood thirsty, macho, suffering penis envy (ladies included) or just plain stupid. You and a couple others have a misinformed stereotypical image programmed in your head.

It's not a misinformed stereotypical image, most hunters (with gun or bow) are white males of limited education. It is a redneck pastime.

Atlantic Xpat Jul 8th 2009 11:55 pm

Re: Something that will no doubt spark controversy....
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 7737126)
It's not a misinformed stereotypical image, most hunters (with gun or bow) are white males of limited education. It is a redneck pastime.

But of course we sophisticated urbanites, do so love to look down on Rednecks. ;)

dbd33 Jul 9th 2009 12:04 am

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Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat (Post 7737162)
But of course we sophisticated urbanites, do so love to look down on Rednecks. ;)

I'd certainly prefer to look down upon them from afar then dress up in costume and spend days in the bush bonding with them.

MikeUK Jul 9th 2009 2:57 am

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Originally Posted by Lord Vader (Post 7736284)
Wow, you are the epitome of ignorance on this subject. You have probably never hunted and likely don't know anyone that does. However you seem think that you are able to judge people of different ages, sex, income levels, education and nationality that spend 1 or 2 days a year hunting as being either blood thirsty, macho, suffering penis envy (ladies included) or just plain stupid. You and a couple others have a misinformed stereotypical image programmed in your head.

I know a lot of hunters from around North America from the 'shop floor red neck' in pennsylvania who keeps his gun in his truck, to the texan who when he hunts at his lodge has an on site butcher and chef on hand or the guy in our lab who loves his cross bow

I also understand biology and how the human mind works

The other sterotypes that you have attached are from your mind not mine

But talking of sterotypes ever been to the Clarion region of Pennsylvania, Big big hunting country as DBD33 put it nearly all white males of limited education nice guys socialy but there is no doubt why they hunt

mandymoochops Jul 9th 2009 2:59 am

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And I would prefer to do the opposite - from my (albeit limited) experience, they are the most loyal, friendly bunch of guys I have ever met. and yes these are proper rednecks.

The amount of help I have recieved over my time here from a friend of a friend "just because" is unmentionable.

I would rather hang out with a room full of redneck hunters than any other "stereotypical" group of people.

Essex_Man Jul 9th 2009 4:16 am

Re: Something that will no doubt spark controversy....
 

Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat (Post 7737162)
But of course we sophisticated urbanites, do so love to look down on Rednecks. ;)

I prefer Canadian red neck to chavs. They don't want to smash ya face when you walk by them or happen to glance at them. They are also polite and friendly and will even open a door...Give me red neck any day over chav's skins mods....I'm generalizing of course. but still.... ;)

MikeUK Jul 9th 2009 4:24 am

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Originally Posted by Essex_Man (Post 7737888)
I prefer Canadian red neck to chavs. They don't want to smash ya face when you walk by them or happen to glance at them. They are also polite and friendly and will even open a door...Give me red neck any day over chav's skins mods....I'm generalizing of course. but still.... ;)

this could be the key reason why the canadian red-neck is less aggresive than his Uk counter part

he has an outlet :blink:

newshoney Jul 12th 2009 4:53 am

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Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat (Post 7737162)
But of course we sophisticated urbanites, do so love to look down on Rednecks. ;)


Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 7737190)
I'd certainly prefer to look down upon them from afar then dress up in costume and spend days in the bush bonding with them.


Originally Posted by Essex_Man (Post 7737888)
I prefer Canadian red neck to chavs. They don't want to smash ya face when you walk by them or happen to glance at them. They are also polite and friendly and will even open a door...Give me red neck any day over chav's skins mods....I'm generalizing of course. but still.... ;)

oo er... an uncomfortable truth. We love to look down on them and titter over their primitive uncivilised habits. Makes us feel darned good. Until the moment when disaster strikes (natural or man-made) and then we (I) will be eternally grateful for those people with the skills to help us survive.

dbd33 Jul 12th 2009 5:31 am

Re: Something that will no doubt spark controversy....
 

Originally Posted by newshoney (Post 7746129)
oo er... an uncomfortable truth. We love to look down on them and titter over their primitive uncivilised habits. Makes us feel darned good. Until the moment when disaster strikes (natural or man-made) and then we (I) will be eternally grateful for those people with the skills to help us survive.

I think you're missing some tongue-in-cheek elements of those posts. Anyway, in what circumstances would we have cause to be grateful to people who can shoot animals?


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