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Fail to see the point to be honest. If people want to shoot with guns at things, JOIN THE ARMED FORCES!

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....but then someone may just shoot back - not so much fun then apparently.

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Much better to shoot and kill an innocent animal and disguise it with the word "sport", so overgrown men can dress up in army like uniforms and crawl through undergrowth. I bet they've all got "call of duty" on the ps3!

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Do the ARMED FORCES let you eat things you shoot?

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Apparently some do;)

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It's a misinterpretation of "engage and disarm!"

On the hunting "thang." My little grade 4 daughter was explaining how in a park in BC the elk had, over the years, eaten much of the young grow in a forest and were now stripping the bark off the mature trees. This was affecting the whole ecosystem. Wolves were introduced (they eat innocent deer). Within 10 years there were more young trees, beavers came back to the area, they dammed the river and otters and mink came back, and salmon started to spawn again.

Sometimes, though, you don't want to introduce wolves in ranch country;), so you introduce hunters instead. With careful management, they can have the same effect.

You may also need hunters to take out a few wolves from time to time, in the first instance, so they don't eat ALL the elk and then start looking for cattle.

It's called balance.

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Only the paras...

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Perhaps you could send some of that "balance" over to the UK then??!!
(You'd need some more army uniforms though for urban hunting and CQB...)

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re the balance thing.

If we didn't have hunters paying for tags then wouldn't we be paying more in taxes for the Ministry Men to cull the animals and dispose of them?

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Consider this situation. ;)

No hunters would require the 'authorities' to employ people to cull animals. The need to employ people would either result in lower unemployment OR greater demand within the current labour market. BOTH cases would result in higher overall spending power (due to increased incomes), the first case would result in lower EI payments allowing the govt to reduce a deficit budget OR increase a credit budget. Higher overall spending would result in increased demand for goods and services, resulting in EITHER further increases in employment (to meet increased demand) or increase in price (to reduce demand and therefore stop demand from outstripping supply).

Increased employment (and therefore wages\salaries) allows the govt to increase Income tax 'take'. Increased prices results in higher GST\PST\HST again going into the Govts coffers.

SO maybe we should stop hunting on purely economic grounds. :rolleyes:

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My head is spinning now

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A little early for the gin, isn't it?

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Indeed, maybe it's too much caffeine

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But at the moment Butch, people pay to hunt and this money goes towards conservation etc. If the authorities paid people to population manage (same shit shinier bucket), the funding for conservation would disappear and the relevant bodies would need to find the wages etc (let alone all the equipment) needed.

Better the way we have it I think ;)








I know you are playting d/a btw

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Quite, the point (that we both make) is which ever angle you 'attack' this from, there IS a counter argument that (most) reasonable people can at least consider even if they dont agree with it 100%.

I (currently) dont hunt, I do however ski. Many people would say that ski 'resorts' and the surrounding infrastructure are destroying the natural beauty and habitats of the mountains.

I drive (as you know) a Jeep Cheroke with a 3.0L Diesel engine. Do I need something that size? (within .5 km of me are two large grocery stores, christ knows how many coffee shops, numerous restaurants, London Drugs, Shoppers Drug Mart, Dominoes, at least three bars...... you get the idea). I could 'survive' without a vehicle at all.