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Was it more balls? Why didnt he shoot the bear?

Was it that he didn't have a license to shoor that sort of bear? $1000 fine and possible criminal charges.

But what do I know, I didnt watch the link.

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Mike, Hunters do not hunt other people. I think you are confusing hunters with gangs, (it's the guns isn't it?). The best part of hunting is the social aspect with your friends and of the hunt itself and not the "killing", in the same way that the appeal to sky diving is the fall, not the "landing". I would agree with you about a morality issue if North Americans were hunting endangered tigers for their magic penis.

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Please show me where I have claimed that people that hunt are evil or that I am morally superior? I expressed an opinion that the person in the video did not exhibit "nerve", I still believe this to be the case. You don't, fair enough.

The ferociousness of the animal has to do with the nerve, not the act of hunting. I cannot imagine a skilled hunter ever needing to exhibit nerve. If sufficiently skilled, the animal will never know what ended its life.

I guess that I have killed enough people (in armed conflicts) not to get on any form of high horse about morals. Sure, people have been killed by black bears. I would hazard a guess that some hunters have been killed by black bears - does that make me admire them? No. Should they care about that? Definately not.

I just don't see the point. I don't care for the animals being hunted as I am sure that compelling arguments can be put forward as to why they should be culled. I don't care if the hunters eat them or leave them for scavengers.

I just don't see the point in hunting. I don't see the point in fishing either, but lots get great enjoyment out of both activities.:thumbsup:

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The link with a picture appears when you are just scrolling up and own through messages. Clicking a link that redirects you, and had I wished to view the video, I would have made a deliberate decision to make sure that he was not around.

Yes my son does fully understand where meat comes from and relucatntly like ouselves has come to the conclusion that it is a necessery evil (turn of phrase, not calling anyone evil). He has come to this conclusion entirely by himself, without any prompting by us. He also fully understands that since an anminal had no defense against a high powered rifle with telescopic sight, the hunt is not exactly a fair contest.

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There would be much less of an issue if we had not encroached on their natural habitats.

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I wish I could have put it like that :thumbsup:

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So why not use some kind of dartgun,or whatever technology can come up with to record a pseudo kill?

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Such as Canada?? I'm talking of 2 hours from Toronto.

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Maybe I was thinking of another poster when I called you out on the moral thing. Although you did seem to hint at people who hunt should kill each other back on the first page.The thing about the guy in the video is that he did not shoot the bear, even when the bear was 8 to 10 feet away and looking directly at him. Black bears average about the same size as an African lion and wild animals are very unpredictable when startled at close range. Most people including hunters would have lost their nerve and shot. This guy did not shot and that was my point and also the fact the hunters in general are not out for blood at any cost.

Too many reasons to list. First being the issue of eating them alive, etc,

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Clearly you have never jumped out of a plane......... landing counts just as much as the drop!

and killing as social ?

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One thing that we have learned from this thread is that bear, although sometimes eaten, is quite clearly something that should not be eaten both on the grounds of taste and health issues.

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2 hours from any major city is generally well into the natural habitat of wildlife rather than man.

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like I have said before there are always two sides to a discussion - none is right as oer the other opinions but for wiw...... and I wait to get slated as to WHY here but...

I can't wait to kill my first buck, would love a Caribou on the wall to go with the deer that are already there and would be super proud of myself if my first kill dropped the animal in its tracks.

Why, firstly because it would show i've practised enough, secondly because I can get close enough to said animal without being detected (wind direction always a pain) and thirdly because I would find it exciting as hell.

These may seem dumb reasons to the anti hunting brigade and we can give as many reasons as to why they need to be culled as there are against why not (think on that the next time one runs out and lands on yer hood) - but ultimately its a legal sport and I can't wait to do it. And thats my stance :thumbup:

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You missed the point. You don't jump because the landing is the best part, otherwise you would jump off the roof of your house. My point with the "social" part of the the hunt is the get together and the beverages and venturing into the wilderness with friends. But if you insist yes hunting has a very very very long social and cultural tie with humanity that has lasted for tens of thousands of years and across every culture on earth and the end result is the death of an animal, quite like farming. I think complaining about the death of a non endangered wild animal is illogical and hypocritical. Think about that the next time you are paying to enjoy a meal at a restaurant. Live and let live ;)

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Good for you, and good luck. As you say, it's a legal to do. Those who disagree with hunting have that right and the choice not to do it. Those who smoke or drink alcohol also have the right to do those things, yet they're harming themselves. I'm sure those would be even less likely to be banned than hunting as the government makes a damn sight more in taxes from them than from hunting, though I'd hazard a guess that hunters cost much less in medical expenses.

For those who advocate target shooting or paintballing as an alternative, paper doesn't taste good and isn't a good source of nourishment, and I believe cannibalism is illegal in Canada so eating your fellow paintballer is out. I'd also suggest that the cost of hunting a deer, carving it up and transporting it home is probably much cheaper than the equivalent amount bought retail (though I could be wrong).