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Re: Scotttish Independence Referendum
Originally Posted by London Mike
(Post 9834807)
Novo, I don't need a lecture about the importance of Scottish contribution to science and engineering to know that their contribution was, in fact, important. But I hardly see what this has to do with the independence debate. Again, if the Scots piss off then their legacy will always be intact and more importantly Lagavulin won't be changed either.
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Re: Scotttish Independence Referendum
Originally Posted by Dave n Ailsa
(Post 9834353)
. You know he'll get the boot as soon as we get independance, and they vote in Mel Gibson, a true Scottish legend :rofl:
And anyway, even if we did do well, in 50 years or so, you southerners would just invade us again and steal it all back :eek: And as to the English invading.. my history lessons taught me that the Stuarts ascended to the English throne by right whilst still holding the Scottish throne, so technically its was a scot that first merged the crowns of England and Scotland, and then merged the two kingdoms… |
Re: Scotttish Independence Referendum
Originally Posted by MikeUK
(Post 9836113)
Yep.. Mel is rather famous in Scotland for what is also known as the 2nd most inaccurate historical movie ever made…
And as to the English invading.. my history lessons taught me that the Stuarts ascended to the English throne by right whilst still holding the Scottish throne, so technically its was a scot that first merged the crowns of England and Scotland, and then merged the two kingdoms… |
Re: Scotttish Independence Referendum
Originally Posted by Tangram
(Post 9836129)
I'm intrigued...what is the 1st ?
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Re: Scotttish Independence Referendum
Originally Posted by Tangram
(Post 9836129)
I'm intrigued...what is the 1st ?
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Re: Scotttish Independence Referendum
Originally Posted by Souvy
(Post 9836173)
"Hitler: my year at the gay, gypsy Kibbutz".
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Re: Scotttish Independence Referendum
Originally Posted by caretaker
(Post 9834064)
I've just read the news about this thing likely to take place in 2014 and wonder what feelings you have about Scotland cutting ties with England. I've never been to the UK but I've been told that even though the Scots, Irish, and Welsh travel and work in all 4 countries as well as intermarry, the English are (at least on some level) traditionally seen as oppressors. Why then do the Scottish nationalists say that in the event they separate they still want to retain HRH as head of state? It's a long way from here but I find the concept of independence exciting, even if it isn't exactly a 'Celtic Spring'.
A carp fishing friend from Bristol has a Welsh mum, and the family went to her home town for a visit. Somehow he found himself in the local pub with all the old regulars eyeing him suspiciously, being a strange face. The barman served him and asked who he might be. He replied that he was from Bristol and his dad was English, but his mum was from right there. One old fellow said "Then you're allright, boyo, you're only half a b*st*rd!" |
Re: Scotttish Independence Referendum
Originally Posted by Novocastrian
(Post 9836089)
It's just that you said they've been on about independence for 300 years. Given their enthusiastic buy in to British colonialism, I don't think that's correct.
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Re: Scotttish Independence Referendum
Originally Posted by London Mike
(Post 9836904)
Novo, apologies. I think I was somewhat and unnecessarily curt with you. I see your point, and you're right.
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Re: Scotttish Independence Referendum
Originally Posted by Novocastrian
(Post 9836938)
Thank you. Apologies not necessary. Just a pint.
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Re: Scotttish Independence Referendum
Originally Posted by Editha
(Post 9836637)
Speaking as an English person, I haven't done any oppressing recently, but if you tell me what you have in mind, I'll have a go.
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Re: Scotttish Independence Referendum
Originally Posted by caretaker
(Post 9838188)
Oh dear....... oh. Damn, no emoticons. I was sort of referring to the way Scots refer to the English as......never mind..... No such thing as assumed guilt - it's a rule. Even for the Germans.
I think it is worth noting, however, that the Act of Union 1707 came about as a result of treaty negotiations, not conquest, by two countries that already shared a monarchy. It followed on from the Darien disaster, a colonial adventure that went wrong, which had bancrupted the Scottish establishment. The Scots were looking for a bailout. Some would say that Scotland has been doing quite well out of the Union ever since, up to and including the £37 billion bailout of the Royal Bank of Scotland in 2009, and the substantial subsidy paid by English taxpayers to Scottish local government. And that is why it is very unlikely that the Scots will vote for full independence. As for Wales -- the conquest was completed by the early fourteenth century. At that point in time the English monarchy still spoke French, as did the aristocracy, down to the humblest knight. Their documents were written in French and Latin, and dated "X years since the Conquest" -- that is the conquest of England. It would not be true to say that Wales was conquered by the Normans, since by that time the monarchy had lost most of its lands in France (although it would spend the next 100 years trying to get them back). However, it would be equally wrong to say Wales was conquered by the English. The real mistake is in trying to apply the modern concept of nation to the medieval world which thought in terms of monarchies and fiefdoms. Ironically, the most determined attempt to integrate Wales with England and wipe out the Welsh language took place under a Welsh monarch -- Henry VIII. |
Re: Scotttish Independence Referendum
Originally Posted by Editha
(Post 9838461)
Ironically, the most determined attempt to integrate Wales with England and wipe out the Welsh language took place under a Welsh monarch -- Henry VIII.
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Re: Scotttish Independence Referendum
Originally Posted by MrsDV
(Post 9835086)
Regarding HRH as a head of state, this is an interesting one: In my experience, allegiance to the throne in west central Scotland (populous area: lots of voters) has, it seems, as much to do with Irish history and politics and religion than any real Scottish issues. Take away HRH and significant number of voters wouldn't even listen to the arguments for independence.
Originally Posted by MrsDV
(Post 9835086)
It will be interesting to see how the debate pans out. Unfortunately as soon as the subject is mentioned it seems to cause a number of English people to adopt the 'well let them piss off then' argument. Sad.
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Re: Scotttish Independence Referendum
Originally Posted by CaptainHook
(Post 9839748)
if Scotland becomes independant, will Balmoral become the Scottish PM's country home, as I don't recall many Monarchs who have country homes on foreign soil.
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