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caretaker Jan 10th 2012 11:13 am
Scotttish Independence Referendum
 
I've just read the news about this thing likely to take place in 2014 and wonder what feelings you have about Scotland cutting ties with England. I've never been to the UK but I've been told that even though the Scots, Irish, and Welsh travel and work in all 4 countries as well as intermarry, the English are (at least on some level) traditionally seen as oppressors. Why then do the Scottish nationalists say that in the event they separate they still want to retain HRH as head of state? It's a long way from here but I find the concept of independence exciting, even if it isn't exactly a 'Celtic Spring'.
A carp fishing friend from Bristol has a Welsh mum, and the family went to her home town for a visit. Somehow he found himself in the local pub with all the old regulars eyeing him suspiciously, being a strange face. The barman served him and asked who he might be. He replied that he was from Bristol and his dad was English, but his mum was from right there. One old fellow said "Then you're allright, boyo, you're only half a b*st*rd!"

Oink Jan 10th 2012 11:16 am
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Probably like most English people, I couldn't give a toss. I think only the Scots and the other lot really care.

Former Lancastrian Jan 10th 2012 12:00 pm
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Also a bit like Canadians and Quebec though at times I feel like if there was a Bloc canditate running in my area I would vote for them to help them split and get it done with, instead of the constant threats and demands from Quebec.
Whats the betting if the Habs won the Stanley Cup they wouldnt be questioning the coaches ability to speak French like they are doing now.
And besides the North Sea Oil what else do the jocks have ?
Celtic & Rangers in the EPL give me a break oh will that now change if they get independence.
I can just hear the Mel Gibson speech ringing in my ears from Braveheart.
Freedom.

London Mike Jan 10th 2012 12:50 pm
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Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 9834064)
I've just read the news about this thing likely to take place in 2014 and wonder what feelings you have about Scotland cutting ties with England. I've never been to the UK but I've been told that even though the Scots, Irish, and Welsh travel and work in all 4 countries as well as intermarry, the English are (at least on some level) traditionally seen as oppressors. Why then do the Scottish nationalists say that in the event they separate they still want to retain HRH as head of state? It's a long way from here but I find the concept of independence exciting, even if it isn't exactly a 'Celtic Spring'.
A carp fishing friend from Bristol has a Welsh mum, and the family went to her home town for a visit. Somehow he found himself in the local pub with all the old regulars eyeing him suspiciously, being a strange face. The barman served him and asked who he might be. He replied that he was from Bristol and his dad was English, but his mum was from right there. One old fellow said "Then you're allright, boyo, you're only half a b*st*rd!"
Let them piss off. They've spent 300 years talking about it, just finally do something about it.

Novocastrian Jan 10th 2012 1:10 pm
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Originally Posted by London Mike (Post 9834203)
Let them piss off. They've spent 300 years talking about it, just finally do something about it.
Not being Scottish myself, I suppose a more partisan poster will be along soon. but I think that's a bit untrue.

Do a bit of research on the contributions of Scots to the industrial revolution and to the building of Empire, around here as much as anywhere else. Not that either was, in retrospect, a very good idea.

If the present day Scottish voters opt for independence, it really wouldn't change much given the context of the EU.

Perhaps Northumberland could secede from That London and join in? I might go home then.

Alan2005 Jan 10th 2012 1:18 pm
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Will they still make scotch eggs and shortbread for supermarkets in the UK? I'd hate to go back home and not be able to eat a scotch egg or a short bread biscuit.

Oink Jan 10th 2012 1:25 pm
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I know very little about it but I'm wondering would the rights to the North Sea oil stay the same?

jimf Jan 10th 2012 1:26 pm
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Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 9834064)
I've just read the news about this thing likely to take place in 2014 and wonder what feelings you have about Scotland cutting ties with England. I've never been to the UK but I've been told that even though the Scots, Irish, and Welsh travel and work in all 4 countries as well as intermarry, the English are (at least on some level) traditionally seen as oppressors. Why then do the Scottish nationalists say that in the event they separate they still want to retain HRH as head of state? It's a long way from here but I find the concept of independence exciting, even if it isn't exactly a 'Celtic Spring'.
A carp fishing friend from Bristol has a Welsh mum, and the family went to her home town for a visit. Somehow he found himself in the local pub with all the old regulars eyeing him suspiciously, being a strange face. The barman served him and asked who he might be. He replied that he was from Bristol and his dad was English, but his mum was from right there. One old fellow said "Then you're allright, boyo, you're only half a b*st*rd!"
Some thoughts on nationalism.....


http://orwell.ru/library/essays/nati.../english/e_nat

Alan2005 Jan 10th 2012 1:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 9834271)
I know very little about it but I'm wondering would the rights to the North Sea oil stay the same?
I read somewhere that there's hardly any left.

Oink Jan 10th 2012 1:34 pm
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Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 9834279)
I read somewhere that there's hardly any left.
So really then its all about eggs and biscuits.

Novocastrian Jan 10th 2012 1:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 9834279)
I read somewhere that there's hardly any left.
True. There's quite a lot of gas though. Oink asks a good question. I imagine the Scots would like to have a fairer share of the revenue. Good for them.

lmartin999 Jan 10th 2012 1:43 pm
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Could we trade Alberta for Scotland?

Oink Jan 10th 2012 1:48 pm
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Originally Posted by lmartin999 (Post 9834294)
Could we trade Alberta for Scotland?
:thumbup:

ExKiwilass Jan 10th 2012 1:49 pm
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Bring it.

Dave n Ailsa Jan 10th 2012 2:19 pm
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I think it's pretty naive for us scots to think we would be better alone.

I doubt we own much of anything anymore, more likely owned by America or the far east, or even England people.:unsure:

And then there's that twat Salmond that wants to run the place. You know he'll get the boot as soon as we get independance, and they vote in Mel Gibson, a true Scottish legend :rofl:

And anyway, even if we did do well, in 50 years or so, you southerners would just invade us again and steal it all back :eek:

Oink Jan 10th 2012 2:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Dave n Ailsa (Post 9834353)
I think it's pretty naive for us scots to think we would be better alone.

I doubt we own much of anything anymore, more likely owned by America or the far east, or even England people.:unsure:

And then there's that twat Salmond that wants to run the place. You know he'll get the boot as soon as we get independance, and they vote in Mel Gibson, a true Scottish legend :rofl:

And anyway, even if we did do well, in 50 years or so, you southerners would just invade us again and steal it all back :eek:

You're buggering off anyway aren't you?

Dave n Ailsa Jan 10th 2012 7:03 pm
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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 9834358)
You're buggering off anyway aren't you?
Fingers crossed :thumbsup:

London Mike Jan 10th 2012 7:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 9834235)
Not being Scottish myself, I suppose a more partisan poster will be along soon. but I think that's a bit untrue.

Do a bit of research on the contributions of Scots to the industrial revolution and to the building of Empire, around here as much as anywhere else. Not that either was, in retrospect, a very good idea.

If the present day Scottish voters opt for independence, it really wouldn't change much given the context of the EU.

Perhaps Northumberland could secede from That London and join in? I might go home then.
Novo, I don't need a lecture about the importance of Scottish contribution to science and engineering to know that their contribution was, in fact, important. But I hardly see what this has to do with the independence debate. Again, if the Scots piss off then their legacy will always be intact and more importantly Lagavulin won't be changed either.

MrsDV Jan 10th 2012 10:39 pm
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Well, I'm Scottish but have made my home in England - I'll never be English but have, for many years, considered myself as much British as Scottish so God knows where independence would leave me!

The reality is that there isn't a strong appetite for independence in Scotland right now. It has, certainly in my experience, always been a minority (albeit very vocal minority) issue. I think it's wrong to consider a vote for the SNP as a vote for independence, voters may want Scottish interests to be given a voice but that's along way from wanting independence. Unfortunately David Cameron could go a long way towards tripping the balance in Alex Salmond's favour.

Regarding HRH as a head of state, this is an interesting one: In my experience, allegiance to the throne in west central Scotland (populous area: lots of voters) has, it seems, as much to do with Irish history and politics and religion than any real Scottish issues. Take away HRH and significant number of voters wouldn't even listen to the arguments for independence.

It will be interesting to see how the debate pans out. Unfortunately as soon as the subject is mentioned it seems to cause a number of English people to adopt the 'well let them piss off then' argument. Sad.

magnumpi Jan 10th 2012 11:58 pm
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Maybe they could get wimpy in and re build Hadrians wall.

iaink Jan 11th 2012 12:37 am
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It would be a disaster for scotland to go independent, half the major international corporations with offices there would bugger off for fear of over taxation.

Theres probably a reason its taken quite so long for the SNP government to get around to the referendum, and I suspect its cos they know its not going to fly and will make them look a bit silly.


My Fife based brother likes to point out that when the RBS was raking in billions in profits the SNP was all up in arms and very vociferous about the money that Scotland was not getting from them. And when it all went tits up and they got billions of tax payers money to bail them out? Not a peep.

JamesM Jan 11th 2012 1:36 am
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Originally Posted by lmartin999 (Post 9834294)
Could we trade Alberta for Scotland?
I was just thinking you could bundle the Scots in with those Quebecans......

Mad Jockette Jan 11th 2012 1:47 am
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Originally Posted by Dave n Ailsa (Post 9834353)
I think it's pretty naive for us scots to think we would be better alone. In my opinion the UK depends on each others countries, I agree with you Dave n Ailsa

I doubt we own much of anything anymore, more likely owned by America or the far east, or even England people.:unsure:

And then there's that twat Salmond that wants to run the place. You know he'll get the boot as soon as we get independance, and they vote in Mel Gibson, a true Scottish legend :rofl: there is even a fabulous (!!!!!) statue of Mel at the foot of the Wallace monument in Stirlingshire, just waiting to be moved to the Scottish Parliament when Mel takes his rightful place:rofl:

And anyway, even if we did do well, in 50 years or so, you southerners would just invade us again and steal it all back :eek:
:)

Well said :thumbsup:

Souvy Jan 11th 2012 1:48 am
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The Scottish referendum will hang on whether people can be arsed to go out and vote. Look at what happened in Tony's Welsh referendum. Only half the voting population could be arsed to vote and only half of them voted for independence.

The same will likely happen in Scotland (I'm 50% Scot BTW).

The notion of Quebec independence is dead. The younger generations really don't give a toss about it.

macadian Jan 11th 2012 2:49 am
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Push came to shove I have my doubts the population would vote for independence. I have been in Canada since '04' but doubt much has changed since. Any thinking person would vote against any such option. But then again, depends how many 'unthinking' people choose to vote.....:lol:

jimf Jan 11th 2012 3:31 am
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From the Telegraph comments section....


Alex Salmond: "We want a referendum and we want it now"

Cameron: "I agree and the sooner the better. How about within 18 months?"

Salmond: "Dinna you tell me when we'll have a referendum. I'll tell you"

Cameron: "That's fine. You can have it any time you like. I'm just saying it would be good to have it sooner, Alex, that's all."

Salmond: "We'll have it when we're ready. When I say so."

Cameron: "No problem Alex. Next year or whenever"

Salmond: "Listen laddie, don't deny us we want a referendum."

Cameron: "But I'm not denying you anything. You can have a referendum tomorrow if you like."

Salmond: " I'll decide on the timing for the referendum."

Cameron: " Yes I understand that. You can have a referendum any time you like Alex."

Salmond: " We want a referendum. You just aren't listening. You English are all the same."

Cameron: " You can have a referendum anytime you like. How about tomorrow? or next year?"

Salmond: "You cannot deny us a referendum. You english are all the same."

Cameron: " I'm not denying you anything. Please have a referendum tomorrow, if you like"

Salmond: "How dare you tell me when to have a referendum."

Cameron: "Have we had this conversation before?"

Salmond: "Don't change the issue. Are we going to have a referendum? We want independence."

Cameron: " Yes. Whenever you like."

Salmond: "We want a referendum."

Cameron: "........

gryphea Jan 11th 2012 6:42 am
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Wouldn't Scotland going independant have the knock on effect that labour would be unlikely to get in in England for a very very long time?

Almost Canadian Jan 11th 2012 6:46 am
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Originally Posted by gryphea (Post 9836017)
Wouldn't Scotland going independant have the knock on effect that labour would be unlikely to get in in England for a very very long time?
Do they have any chance of that anyway?:D

Oink Jan 11th 2012 6:56 am
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Also, if we gave them independence and until Scotland formally joined the EU, wouldn't all the Scotch living and working in England have to move back?

jimf Jan 11th 2012 7:11 am
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Originally Posted by gryphea (Post 9836017)
Wouldn't Scotland going independant have the knock on effect that labour would be unlikely to get in in England for a very very long time?
It's something of a win-win situation for the conservatives.

Novocastrian Jan 11th 2012 7:12 am
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Originally Posted by London Mike (Post 9834807)
Novo, I don't need a lecture about the importance of Scottish contribution to science and engineering to know that their contribution was, in fact, important. But I hardly see what this has to do with the independence debate. Again, if the Scots piss off then their legacy will always be intact and more importantly Lagavulin won't be changed either.
It's just that you said they've been on about independence for 300 years. Given their enthusiastic buy in to British colonialism, I don't think that's correct.

MikeUK Jan 11th 2012 7:25 am
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Originally Posted by Dave n Ailsa (Post 9834353)
. You know he'll get the boot as soon as we get independance, and they vote in Mel Gibson, a true Scottish legend :rofl:

And anyway, even if we did do well, in 50 years or so, you southerners would just invade us again and steal it all back :eek:
Yep.. Mel is rather famous in Scotland for what is also known as the 2nd most inaccurate historical movie ever made…

And as to the English invading..
my history lessons taught me that the Stuarts ascended to the English throne by right whilst still holding the Scottish throne, so technically its was a scot that first merged the crowns of England and Scotland, and then merged the two kingdoms…

Tangram Jan 11th 2012 7:28 am
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Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 9836113)
Yep.. Mel is rather famous in Scotland for what is also known as the 2nd most inaccurate historical movie ever made…

And as to the English invading..
my history lessons taught me that the Stuarts ascended to the English throne by right whilst still holding the Scottish throne, so technically its was a scot that first merged the crowns of England and Scotland, and then merged the two kingdoms…
I'm intrigued...what is the 1st ?

fletcher m Jan 11th 2012 7:39 am
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Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 9836129)
I'm intrigued...what is the 1st ?
U - 571

Souvy Jan 11th 2012 7:41 am
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Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 9836129)
I'm intrigued...what is the 1st ?
"Hitler: my year at the gay, gypsy Kibbutz".

Possibly.

Tangram Jan 11th 2012 7:48 am
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Originally Posted by Souvy (Post 9836173)
"Hitler: my year at the gay, gypsy Kibbutz".

Possibly.
You will be hearing from Adolf's lawyers I'm sure.

Editha Jan 11th 2012 11:27 am
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Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 9834064)
I've just read the news about this thing likely to take place in 2014 and wonder what feelings you have about Scotland cutting ties with England. I've never been to the UK but I've been told that even though the Scots, Irish, and Welsh travel and work in all 4 countries as well as intermarry, the English are (at least on some level) traditionally seen as oppressors. Why then do the Scottish nationalists say that in the event they separate they still want to retain HRH as head of state? It's a long way from here but I find the concept of independence exciting, even if it isn't exactly a 'Celtic Spring'.
A carp fishing friend from Bristol has a Welsh mum, and the family went to her home town for a visit. Somehow he found himself in the local pub with all the old regulars eyeing him suspiciously, being a strange face. The barman served him and asked who he might be. He replied that he was from Bristol and his dad was English, but his mum was from right there. One old fellow said "Then you're allright, boyo, you're only half a b*st*rd!"
Speaking as an English person, I haven't done any oppressing recently, but if you tell me what you have in mind, I'll have a go.

London Mike Jan 11th 2012 1:48 pm
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 9836089)
It's just that you said they've been on about independence for 300 years. Given their enthusiastic buy in to British colonialism, I don't think that's correct.
Novo, apologies. I think I was somewhat and unnecessarily curt with you. I see your point, and you're right.

Novocastrian Jan 11th 2012 2:04 pm
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Originally Posted by London Mike (Post 9836904)
Novo, apologies. I think I was somewhat and unnecessarily curt with you. I see your point, and you're right.
Thank you. Apologies not necessary. Just a pint.

lmartin999 Jan 11th 2012 2:32 pm
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 9836938)
Thank you. Apologies not necessary. Just a pint.
Did someone mention a pint?


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