Shard

It may have been lower, but they still voted yes for the EEC. In any case time moves on. Britain is so different now compared to 1975, as is the EU.

neilcumming

Well it does make sense now if the UK is moving towards leaving the EU and the YES campaign made this point very loud and clear in the referendum .Now those who voted NO are going to be feeling a wee bit screwed by Westminster,which wasnt unexpected,by me anyway.
As for being a troll,I wouldnt think so as I only make comments on certain threads and if Im an imbecile why reply to my posts

neilcumming

Well said :goodpost

Paul_Shepherd

Personally i think that is a good thing for the UK to leave the EU, as although I think the UK should have a strong trade partnership with Europe, that should be the extent of it, the UK doesnt need Brussels' stupid rules and regulations and certainly doesnt need the single currency, which is being propped up by Germany, I wouldnt be to happy if i was a hard working German.....no surprise many of then want the Deutschmark back. Very little good has come form the UKs heavy involvement with the EU, only petty beaurocracy, rules and regulations, but all that is another argument.

I didnt realise many Scots were so pro European union, i must have been talking to the wrong Scots, but then most of these have been pro UK Scots tho.

Still doesnt seem logical that if you want your voice heard, ie a small fish in a big pond, why jump that pond and go to ocean! I admit i am biased and never been pro European, so that maybe why im missing the point here?

mdizzle

STV poll: Labour would annihilated if general election held tomorrow | Scotland Decides

neilcumming

[QUOTE=mdizzle;11456418][url=http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/297729-stv-poll-labour-would-annihilated-if-general-election-held-tomorrow/]STV poll: Labour would annihilated if general election held tomorrow | Scotland Decides[/ur

Go SNP
Another today from The Times
Times / YouGov Scotland gen elec poll
SNP: 43% (47 seats)
Labour: 27% (10 seats)
C: 15% (1 seat)
LD: 4% (1 seat)
Certainly interesting times ahead in UK politics!

Shard

[QUOTE=neilcumming;11457440] It is interesting times. Do you follow Canadian politics at all? Seems dull (but I am in UK).

neilcumming

[QUOTE=Shard;11457846] Not much.I watched Harpers speech after the Ottawa shootings ,sounded like they were using it to up the ante on the war against ISIS even though the murderer turned out to be a mental case.Being a PR I dont get a vote in federal elections you need to be a citizen for that which hopefully I will be soon.My local MP in Winnipeg is a conservative would you believe!Spoke to him once in at a supermarket he pretty much ignored all I had to say.Yes canadian politics is dull you just have to look at Stephen Harper,reminds me of the grey man,John Major!The only interesting person is the mayor of Toronto the crack smoking Rob Ford!

jimf

A typical Salmondesque dismissal. Self awareness and capability for rational reflection is not a common SNP attribute though.

From the typical content of your posts you should be something of an expert on cringing. Feel free to cringe on my behalf, however misplaced, if it makes you feel better.

mdizzle

You posted a terrible article, I pointed that fact out, and to be honest, I can't really be bothered with any more of your tear-stained mewling. I don't think anybody capable of rational thought would sit there as you did thinking 'hmmm yes this is a good article, better post this immediately'.

Your anti-Scottish agenda is the only cringeworthy thing here, champ. Did Alex Salmond shag your wife or something?

jimf

Whether the article is terrible or not is a matter of opinion. That you believe your opinion to be fact is revealing though.

Dismissing anyone who doesn't applaud the SNP narrative as anti-Scottish is another Salmondesque approach.

Do you do that little half-chortle when you think you've said something clever also?

Will Nicola Sturgeon turn out to be as annoying as Alex Salmond was? - Telegraph

neilcumming

No matter if you love or hate Salmond you cannot ignore the success of the SNP in the 20yrs that he has been leader of the party.As for Sturgeon I think she will be just as successful as Salmond if not more.
*The idea of a Scottish veto is so obviously a non-starter that her proposal can only be grandstanding designed to impress the tens of thousands of Scottish Leftie radical types who have joined the SNP since the referendum, in pursuit of a perpetual punch-up with London*The Torygraph.
I dont think its a non starter ,try telling that to the people who voted to stay in the UK believing their EU membership would be guarenteed!

Oakvillian

Which bit of "the UK is not a Federal state" is difficult to understand? Of course her batty idea is a non-starter. There is no mechanism under which it can be anything else. It is exactly, precisely, and calculatedly, a grandstanding manouevre designed to pander to her political base, with no chance whatsoever of actually taking place.

Would you care to explain how a Scottish (or Welsh, or Northern Irish, or any other) veto could be implemented? In case you hadn't noticed, the population of Scotland voted convincingly to stay in the United Kingdom. Decisions that affect the whole of the United Kingdom are taken by the government of the United Kingdom, taking into account the views of all of the population of the United Kingdom.

For what it's worth, I hope that the anti-EU lot get as royally shafted in a referendum as the Scot Nats were. But if they run a successful campaign and the referendum (which we should remember only takes place if Cameron gets back into Number 10 next year, and even then own't happen until 2017) goes the way of leaving the EU, then that decision will affect all of the UK. Including Scotland.

Oakvillian

Oh, and another thing... I think you misunderstand how politics works. Let me try and help you. The first bit is easy. You say "try telling that to the people..." so here goes:

"Listen, people who voted to stay in the UK believing your EU membership was guaranteed: that wasn't the referendum question. You should learn to read more carefully what is written on the ballot. Sturgeon's harebrained scheme is a non-starter."

There, that wasn't hard, was it?

On a more serious note, there's a genuine point in here. The Independence vote did not ask about EU membership - the question was a very straightforward one about Scots' desire to be and independent nation. As it happens, voting "yes" to that would have guaranteed an exit from the EU, since there is not a mechanism for maintaining membership without the financial bits & pieces in place (central bank, debt ratios etc) that Salmond was frequently pressed on and could never satisfactorily answer. Voting "no" at least gives Scotland a chance at continued EU membership.

If Scotland want to remain within the EU, now that it's chosen to remain within the UK, the only sensible course of action is to campaign (with better answers and greater debating skills than the pro-independence lobby exhibited) for any future referendum to be a resounding vote for "in." No other posturing, hypothetical veto, nonsense policy position will do anything. Convince the voting public to vote the way you want, and accept the consequences if your arguments are't sufficiently convincing.

neilcumming

What you really meant to say was,"listen ,people who voted to stay in the UK belieiving your EU membership was guaranteed,bend over ,you are now about to be screwed".
Yes the independence vote didnt ask about the EU but it was a big decision maker for the dont knows.
Scotland has absoulelty no chance of influlencing any future referendum on the EU,it will just have to follow how the vote goes in England.
As for a veto ? Nothing is written in stone!