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Old Nov 5th 2013 | 6:51 am
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
Is the issue that he smoked crack, or his "denials" that he had done so?
When that is a question you find yourself applying to the figurehead of your city, you've really got to ask if there's anyone else who might be a better representative for you...
 
Old Nov 5th 2013 | 6:54 am
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Originally Posted by Jingsamichty
When that is a question you find yourself applying to the figurehead of your city, you've really got to ask if there's anyone else who might be a better representative for you...
Possibly. I thought the general complaint about politicians is that they are unrepresentative of the electorate.

What's wrong with smoking crack anyway?
 
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
Possibly. I thought the general complaint about politicians is that they are unrepresentative of the electorate.

What's wrong with smoking crack anyway?
It makes you tell lies.
 
Old Nov 5th 2013 | 6:56 am
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
Is the issue that he smoked crack, or his "denials" that he had done so?
I think the issue is we live in a society where a majority of people can elect (and may yet reelect) Rob Ford as mayor of their city. Novo has the right idea, get out while the going is good!

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Old Nov 5th 2013 | 6:57 am
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Originally Posted by iaink
I think the issue is we live in a society where a majority of people can elect Rob Ford as mayor of their city. Novo has the right idea, get out while the going is good!
Do you think he will be re-elected?
 
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
Do you think he will be re-elected?
I do.
 
Old Nov 5th 2013 | 7:07 am
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Originally Posted by dbd33
I do.
It that simply because of profile, or, media issues aside, he is a good mayor?
 
Old Nov 5th 2013 | 7:14 am
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
It that simply because of profile, or, media issues aside, he is a good mayor?
The main story on the CBC news wasn't the fact that he smoked crack it was that some international news organizations are actually reporting about Canada.
 
Old Nov 5th 2013 | 7:17 am
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
It that simply because of profile, or, media issues aside, he is a good mayor?
Single issue... Lower taxes.

I suspect his goose is probably cooked now and that another conservative candidate will emerge.

As mayors go hes terrible, hes divisive, hes hardly delivered anything he promised, he has if anything lowered the level of council ethics, hes constantly bluring lines between personal and mayoral business and his priorities have at times been somewhat questionable like leaving council sessions to go coach high school football. Its hard to put a lot of faith and trust in the judgment of a guy who smoked crack while allegedly pissed to the gills, lied about it and then berated journalists for not asking the right questions.

He'll probably be in the Federal Cabinet or better yet the Senate by the time hes finished.

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Old Nov 5th 2013 | 7:20 am
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
It that simply because of profile, or, media issues aside, he is a good mayor?
IMO he's not a good mayor but I think most voters like what he stands for; shifting the tax burden downtown. I don't think most people care that he's an oaf.

That said, I don't think Toronto's had a good Mayor since Mel Lastman*, it's not as if there's a huge range of quality candidates to choose from.





* yes, I know he was corrupt and also an oaf but he sold Toronto well (at least to white people).

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Old Nov 5th 2013 | 7:44 am
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Pretty sure Rob Ford is one of these guys.
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Originally Posted by iaink
Single issue... Lower taxes.

I suspect his goose is probably cooked now and that another conservative candidate will emerge.

As mayors go hes terrible, hes divisive, hes hardly delivered anything he promised, he has if anything lowered the level of council ethics, hes constantly bluring lines between personal and mayoral business and his priorities have at times been somewhat questionable like leaving council sessions to go coach high school football. Its hard to put a lot of faith and trust in the judgment of a guy who smoked crack while allegedly pissed to the gills, lied about it and then berated journalists for not asking the right questions.

He'll probably be in the Federal Cabinet or better yet the Senate by the time hes finished.
Not exactly a role model. Get rid of him Toronto.
 
Old Nov 5th 2013 | 8:04 am
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Originally Posted by iaink
Single issue... Lower taxes.

I suspect his goose is probably cooked now and that another conservative candidate will emerge.

As mayors go hes terrible, hes divisive, hes hardly delivered anything he promised, he has if anything lowered the level of council ethics, hes constantly bluring lines between personal and mayoral business and his priorities have at times been somewhat questionable like leaving council sessions to go coach high school football. Its hard to put a lot of faith and trust in the judgment of a guy who smoked crack while allegedly pissed to the gills, lied about it and then berated journalists for not asking the right questions.

He'll probably be in the Federal Cabinet or better yet the Senate by the time hes finished.
Puts lawyer's hat on: There is no such thing as a stupid answer; only a stupid question.

I have to admit I don't see the issue with smoking crack. A very clever University professor was on CNN the other day and stated that, in essence, it was no more harmful that pot.

Originally Posted by dbd33
IMO he's not a good mayor but I think most voters like what he stands for; shifting the tax burden downtown. I don't think most people care that he's an oaf.

That said, I don't think Toronto's had a good Mayor since Mel Lastman*, it's not as if there's a huge range of quality candidates to choose from.





* yes, I know he was corrupt and also an oaf but he sold Toronto well (at least to white people).
Will no one from the right wing side of the fence go up against him?

Originally Posted by Shard
Not exactly a role model. Get rid of him Toronto.
Do we expect politicians to be role models, I thought that was the domain of sport, pop stars and movie stars? From that perspective, he seems to fit the mould
 
Old Nov 5th 2013 | 8:14 am
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
Puts lawyer's hat on: There is no such thing as a stupid answer; only a stupid question.

I have to admit I don't see the issue with smoking crack. A very clever University professor was on CNN the other day and stated that, in essence, it was no more harmful that pot.
Its not really about role models or crack use, its about his honesty and trusting his judgment to do the right thing as CEO of a city with a $10Bn budget and 5M people. The crack thing is the latest in a long list of dubious acts by the citys elected leader.

I wouldnt trust him to baby sit a 10 year old, never mind run a city.

As you may have figured out I dont have much regard for most politicians, but I will judge them based on their ability to deliver on the promises that got them elected, and whether they behave in an upfront, ethical way. If they can do those two things then you cant really argue with democracy in action even if you disagree with the actions themselves. But any way you look at it Rob Ford gets a failing grade.

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Old Nov 5th 2013 | 8:42 am
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Default Re: Rob Ford Again

Originally Posted by iaink
I think the issue is we live in a society where a majority of people can elect (and may yet reelect) Rob Ford as mayor of their city. Novo has the right idea, get out while the going is good!
Well yes, but he's not my Mayor you know. I live in Richmond Hill.

Toronto is lucky, it gets all the laughs.

For instance when Ford said "God Bless Toronto".

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