PR's don't want to pledge
 

3 would be citizens are in court today saying that pledging alegence to the queen is discrimination, against their beliefs.

Ohh dear !!


http://www.calgaryherald.com/touch/s...tml?id=8647780

"Welcome to Canada, what can we change for you"

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Their objections seem rather feeble. One's tenuously connected to Ireland, one claims religion, one thinks it's "a bit much". A dreary bunch, offer them Ecuadorian passports instead.

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Agreed

It will be interesting to see what they do if they don't win the case ? Will they leave the country in disgust and return to wherever?

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simple then , don't become a citizen.
No compulsion to do so.

It's not like they make it a secret that it is part of the ceremony.
Noone is forcing them to leave or anything

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This has come up in the military when soldiers are a bit iffy about pledging an oath to the Queen - they always lose.

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I wouldn't want to pledge  alegence to the queen either.

I didn't vote for her.

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But that's not the point. You did not set the speed limits on the roads and highways neither, but you will be expected to comply with them.

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I didn't vote for Canada either. Presumably you would have to pledge allegiance to that.

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Me neither, but the choice is "pledge and get the passport" or "don't pledge and don't get the passport".

Saying, "but this is me, change the rules and you can have me" is unlikely to provoke a rush to change the rules.

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If they don't want to Pledge and follow the rules, then no Citizenship for them is what I say. They knew when they applied what the process is, if they didn't like it then don't apply just stay PR. My daughter, husband and I will take their spots;)

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That is so annoying that the wait for Citizenship is so long then you hear about this. Like "susprise" you goto take an oath at the end !!!!! We all know this so think before you file.

Presumably scribe 123 won't be applying anytime soon

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Will refrain from commenting as I dont want to be accused of being a racist twice in one day.:(

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Exactly right, I spent abut three hours photocopying and form filling yesterday, on top of the preliminary form filling and am still waiting on info from DD as she is away staffing for the Air Cadets all summer and is tricky to get hold of, once we have all signed the papers they will go into the post. DD has already pledged allegiance to the Queen and is thinking seriously about serving Canada. It's been annoying to find out wait times have increased drastically from when I looked and didn't get round to doing before and then you hear about Numpty's like these, oh well.

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I suggest that as far as the Irishman's argument goes, the biggest "betrayal of his republican heritage" is his voluntarily choosing to live for 50-odd years in a country with the Queen as head of state.

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When the 3 poor downtrodden badly done by and dicrimated against immigrants arrived here in the 60's and 70's Canada was more royalist than it is now. So why even make the move in the first place ?

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You've started reading the Daily Mail; I can sense it.

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Its almost as bad as the argument of Im a Permanent Resident why are you deporting me I have been in Canada for X amount of time.
Well to put your mind at ease had you not have committed a serious criminal offence or received over 6 months imprisonment in Canada for a less serious offence and had taken out citizenship then CBSA wouldnt be shipping your ass back to where you came from.
If you want a Canadian passport then pledge allegiance.
If you dont want to be deported then take out Canadian citizenship.

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I sometimes look at the Sidebar of Shame, looking for Death Pool candidates, yes. Were I a reader of the rest of the paper I would surely have written something more like:

Shock As Feckless Terrorist Immigrants Snub Our Dear Queen

before advocating that they be packed off in chains to some empty colony, Canada, or similar.

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:hysterical:

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I think it would be "Fury"... the DM does like a "Fury" headline.

"Fury as Irish Republicans and Muslims fight to scrap Canada's Loyal Oath to HM"

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:rofl::rofl::rofl:

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For me... they are the requirements. If you don't like them, go somewhere else.

Can you imagine doing that in the US and saying " actually, I'd rather not pledge allegiance to the flag if it's all the same to you " ?

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I hope they slap these three with the bill for bringing this to a court. And counter sue them for wasting the courts time.

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I can't imagine the three much care, this must be more about the lawyer being bored with chasing ambulances or defending the mafia.

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Yeah like thats gonna happen :lol:
Hopefully the 3 have not received legal aid or funding from other sources and have had to pay out of their own pockets. I guess if the Superior court rules against them they may then if eligible take it to the Federal Court of Canada or the Supreme Court of Canada on appeal costing taxpayers more money as the Govts lawyers will have to be paid. Eventually they will run out of appeals or money.

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Maybe they should start working for Canada to become a Republic. I'm a very reluctant monarchist myself; it doesn't sit right with me to have heriditary inbreds in charge just cos they inherited the right by marrying each other.

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I think the odd one or two in Quebec have tried something similar though they wanted to separate from Canada. I dont think they were going to call it the Republic of Quebec though.
Maybe we should have a referendum or vote on it it would only cost a couple of dollars. You could pick up a ballot at any Tim Hortons ensuring they capture most Canadians.

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In what way are they in charge? They are less in charge than you are.

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If I want citizenship in Canada and was eeligible then I'd have to do it, but that part of the oath would be a somewhat........ Empty pledge.

It'sfunny from a point of view as I used to be quite the royalist, but then I had children and decided to be against anyone holding a position the my children couldn't attain through hard work and dedication.

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And before people start to say she's just a figurehead, in the UK she has an incredible amount of power (not sure about canada). Now if she exercised that power to the full extent I'm sure there would be a revolution, but none the less, she has a lot of power.

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Like singing the Canadian Anthem, it's not guna be a tear jerker for a Brit is it. But at least you aren't wanting to make changes to the way its been done for years just to suit your own schedule and personal beliefs. :@)

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I just crossed me fingers at that point. Then promises doesn't count, everyone knows that.

Daft Irish bugger's dad's fight for a republic was wasted on his emigrant son.

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When it's my turn I might fight it in court too.
After all by the nature of my nationality do I not already have allegiance to the Queen? Why do I need to do it again? :confused:

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Quite. I found it strange being asked to swear an oath of loyalty to her when I was already supposed to be loyal as a result of being born on her lands.

Mrs. JonboyE had to swear an oath of loyalty twice. Once to become British and again to become Canadian. She is obviously twice as loyal as me. At least she doesn't throw things at the TV whenever it mentions the impending birth.

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Why would you want to be a citizen of a country whose customs you object so much to?

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Belt and braces syndrome ;)

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Actually, no you haven't. The oath is allegiance to the Queen of Canada not the Queen of Great Britain, Northern Ireland,etc etc. They may be the same person but the meaning is different.

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What power? When was any such power last exercised?

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When they arranged the tunnel incident in France

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Pretty ridiculous. It's not like being told you have to pay more tax than the rest of Canadians or do national service first.